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Yoshiki

Woah SaKeVi, your amount of information still knocks me out.

I see now what you mean and I will never want to hear anything
about the Trance X album in my LIFE! lol seriously.. Yoshiki was one
hell of a guy back in the days.. but even I have to admit this out
loud; He's brain has melted. And even the heart?
 
Wow, I don't even know where to begin on this one. O.O

You know, it's really not Yoshiki's fault that he's popular. If Violet UK was Indies underground everyone'd be going gaga for it. And really, people, "Sex and Religion" is his only full-length song from VUK available to the public and you can't judge the entirety of someone' musical style from one song I don't care what uppity-elitist-music-"critics" say.

And yes, he worked with Globe which puts an icky black mark on his record but he did that as a personal favor to a friend so I will forgive him... eventually.

You can't call someone a wannabe in J-Rock when they fracking invented J-Rock as far as I'm concerned. Frankly, if the boy wants to make Gothic soft rock music that appeals to the masses then that's his choice not ours. And what music is "mainstream poppy crap" and what isn't is so subject to personal opinion and bias that there's really no point in bringing it up or debating it.

I don't think wanting to make something of your life equals being a bad person or publicity wh0re. Yeah, he markets a lot of stuff. What of it? Really, what of it?? Gackt markets cologne, Laruku markets cat food, Mana has a fashion store. Lots of artists market things that don't have anything to do with music. It's not like Yoshiki's the only one using his name to sell products, everyone does it. It's part of having celebrity status. It really has no bearing on whether an artist is selling out or not, it's a moot point.

Also, it wasn't Yoshiki's control freakish-ness that drove Toshi out of the band, that would be Taiji actually. Toshi's reasons for leaving remain unclear, anything about it has turned out to be nothing but pointless and ludicrous rumor stirring. Let's stick to facts please.
 
*Is stalking Jounetsu* heh, ok, only a little. I actually do have something to contribute to the conversion!

I agree with everything Sakevi said except for one point: I don't think Yoshiki's making crappy poppish music or whatever you want to call it on purpose. Perhaps his tastes have changes, perhaps the rock scene holds too many painful memories, perhaps he's just getting old and doesn't have the stamina for that kind of thing anymore, but his style has obviously changed to something more mainstream and it ain't worth disliking him over it cause he's still YOSHIKI. I honestly don't believe that he's working any less hard at doing what he does best: making music, even if it's a different kind of music. And i doubt that's gonna change once he makes this band with Gackt- in fact, i think they might actually work really well together (barring the possibility that they end up working each other to death....;-))

As for what Hyde said about advertising....you're right, all celebrities endorse products, it's just part of being in the public's eye (not that i agree with the practice...but that's another debate altogether ) But perhaps what everyone's trying to say is that Yoshiki just advertises WAY TOO MUCH. There's gotta be a balance between the amount of good music an artist produces and the amount of self-indulgent advertising they involve themselves in, and Yoshiki's balance is completely out of whack at the moment. He's doing much more of the 'advertising' bit, and not exactly putting out in the 'music' department. I think if an artist wants to stay out in the public eye, they need to be constantly deserving their image, and Yoshiki isn't doing that at the moment. It's tough, but it makes for better entertainers
 
Yoshiki's currently working his butt off for VUK. Just because none of the work is out in the public eye yet doesn't mean he isn't paying a monstrous amount of attention to his music. I think it's unfair to sit outside the glass in judgment when it's near impossible to truly know what's happening inside and we also have no clue what it is like for him right now or what his emotional state is or what his intentions truly are.
 
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Haido- Marry me. O_O
One point I would like to make is this:
SaKeVi- It sounds like you're saying that Yoshiki spends no time or effort on his music now; that his priorities don't lie with his music anymore.
This dosen't make any sense because the boy gets so little sleep that both his doctors and his fans are spazzing. He stays up at ungodly hours and barely gets enough rest to function because he is working on his music, making it perfect. And that is why he hasn't released anything in a while- it doesn't meet his standards yet. It MUST be quality for Yoshiki to release it to the masses.
He has been extremely busy lately, what with the Gackt-band thing, his appearance at Otakon, and VUK. I think we should give him a chance to BREATHE before we start judging his new stuff that hasn't really been released yet. :joyful:
 
Hah!! a lot of stuff to quote, so let's begin!

You_Too said:
Since you know as much about X as you do, I think you should
make a homepage with a complete biography of the band.
Something nobody has done yet, as far as I know.
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I don't know; some stuff can be found on the web, but there's a reason why many stuff I said aren't still circulating around, and many others that will never be said, sorry.


I guess his creativity is stuck... he believed he was so incredible that now he hasn't much to offer on that way, I hope him to release what he can do on music.


And why do you think he has only released that far now?? Because he's a perfeccionist?? or because he knows that considering people's accept he can release more of the same... he did that with X's ballads, those that finished boring people to dead (why, because they were most of the same formula)

Hyde_is_my_anti-drug said:
And yes, he worked with Globe which puts an icky black mark on his record but he did that as a personal favor to a friend so I will forgive him... eventually.
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How many favors he did in the past: tetsuya Komuro and the failed V2; when he wanted to play being a punkstar on L.O.X. and the punks finished kicking him out from the scene; when he swore that Issay would be the next favorite singer on Japan and he only appeared on his Extasy Summit; when he wanted to eat the American music scene in 1991 and everybody laughed at his "old glam band"; when he released the Trance X album... maaaany things that people still don't know, he really screwed up a lot of "awesome projects", but hey, he's Yoshiki, right??


As far as I know, J-pop term was created by a radio station in Japan called J-wave, who started a huge marketing process relating "japanese popular" music with his name, that's why they used the "J-pop on J-wave" slogan... then they followed with "J-rock" as X made the ROCK very popular in Japan... X and Yoshiki didn't create rock in Japan, obviously they didn't invent "J-Rock", but that's another interesting topic that has nothing to do with this.

About the poppy crap, that's what it is: he is now in pop industry, all of you have said that: he is popular now.


But selling all this sh*t makes you a better artist?? also, wandering.legy answered this point on her post.


Girl, that's something you can't be debating to me: I explained why Toshi left the band on this forum (I can't remember in which topic) and that was the pure true, and also I have the version of why Taiji left the band recorded on tape when I made an interview to one of his best friends, so please... don't believe the st*pid fangirl rumours that Toshi joined a cult and he got his brainwashed, thats really ridiculous.

I stick to the facts, and I can prove them, can you??

the last two post said:
You don't know how's he working and you can't judge his projects...
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Ok, you're right, I've been saying bullshit on this topic, I don't know anything about Yoshiki, X and X members... you won, happy??

It's too damn hard to argue with fangirls/fanboys...
 
I never said Toshi left 'cause of the cult, he met the cult leader after leaving X that's common knowledge. Please, don't put words in my mouth or superimpose other people's arguments onto me, it's irksome. And you can theorize all you want, that doesn't prove anything.

I never said Yoshiki coined the phrase "J-Rock" what I meant was he breathed life into something that hadn't really existed before.

I'm not even going to touch the ballad argument. Too flustered.

SaKeVi-san, what is it you want me to say? "Oh, oh, you're so clever. Oh, oh, you say it like it is." *sigh* I am annoyed with myself for my efforts to talk to you as though you have something valuable to say on the matter. And nothing I say will change your mind one whit either.
 
Guys, let's not be angry with Sakevi because of his point of view at everything.
He's just expressing his thoughts, and I really do believe that guy,
because as it seems, he has been in contact with the members of x in some way
since the old days.
He might even have been their manager!
These are things we will never know for sure, but still, if you are that "close"
to everything when it happens, you get a different point of view, for sure.
He has seen more of x than we will ever do, so I can understand that he's
a little bit more critic!

Myself I think Yoshiki is one of the best musicians ever, when it comes to
writing good music.
And he's a great pianist, and drummer, and he's probably a big source of
inspiration for a lot of people in the world.
 
I know I'm not mad at SaKeVi at all

In fact I LIKE IT when he posts here.

Sometimes it feels like no-one has courage
enough to say what they really think - I'm
not meaning any of you guys here tho -
at least SaKeVi says what he thinks about stuff.

And the only thing we can argue about is
opinions, right?
 
Rule number one: No arguing in the Yoshiki thread. All opinions are welcomed.

That is all. To lazy right now to comment on what was said. I'll do it later~
 

I never said that you said he joined that cult, that was a general comment, because everybody hold that st*pid history about the cult and many other sh*t written by rabid fangirls that are still mad at Toshi because X disbanded, that's a common attitude among blinded fans who don't want to see the truth, even when people that knows what happened explain the true reasons of Toshi leaving the band.

Maybe you don't know, but he was in X to go through an inferiority complex he had when he was young, he thought that being famous he would leave that on past... Yoshiki and hide always told him how to behave, dress and talk on stage, and as you can see, he was the first member who left behind the "agressive" image on the band. This happened because he was concerned about true problems in life, and as long as he was being more "mature", he realized that there were more important things than fame.

And then, he had an unauntenticity complex singing on X, and he wanted to go through that singing for Masaya... well, he found happiness, and how a happy person could show on stage to sing sad and painful songs?? he was honest and he said that he wasn't able to sing what he wasn't feeling at the moment... after all, if Yoshiki decided to be a public person (and people respect that) why can't we be glad to see that Toshi changed to be a happy and honest person??

If you want to know about Toshi's TRUE thoughts read his book called Aoi Hoshi no Tabibito, it could help you a little bit to understand why he left the band.

Hyde_is_my_antidrug said:
I never said Yoshiki coined the phrase "J-Rock" what I meant was he breathed life into something that hadn't really existed before.
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Rock (and punk) existed with an awesome band called The Stalin, they even toured Europe before X got into mainstream, not even talk about Vow Wow or Loudness, and if we talk about Visual, the original Visual Scandal... Yoshiki just made rock a huge marketing product in Japan.

Hyde_is_my_antidrug said:
I'm not even going to touch the ballad argument. Too flustered.
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Ok.. have you heard X indies ballads?? those songs were awesome and non repetitive: Unfinished, Alive, Endless Dream...


What do you want me to say?? that Yoshiki is God when he isn't?? that he is just kawaii and no one can criticize him??

Of course most of things you say won't change my mind, I've known this band for almost my whole life (and I'm not a teenager as most as you're) and have been in contact with people who worked with them and close friends of the band and Extasy Records... I'm sorry if I'm informed of many things you haven't heard or read on many websites, or had being told by fans around the world that repeat what they saw on another webpage.

I'm conscious now that we couln't argue about "music taste", you will probably love what he's doing with Violet UK, but as far as I know, I'm mad because I know that he can create BETTER MUSIC, that music he created when he wasn't so blinded by marketing and too many publicity.

I appreciate you to be posting here, but somehow I can't stay speechless when I see stuff that isn't true at all, or become a big lie, just as it happens with Visual and Visual Kei, I'm sorry if I have a hard and difficult way of being and expressing my opinions, but that has an explanation: I'm a lawyer, girl

See you later!!
 
Actually, I'm really not all googoo-gaga over Violet UK. But I'm holding out my final opinion until the album drops.

I don't know where you get this "God" and "kawaii" stuff. I know you're really enjoying labeling me as a "fangirl" and therefore paying no attention to anything that I'm actually saying but that doesn't make for good conversation. I don't want you think he's God because he isn't, he's human like everyone else he makes mistakes like everyone else but, like everyone else, he's not all bad. As for the "kawaii" thing, that's all personal taste and whatever. "Kawaii" is definitely not a word I'd use in the same sentence as Yoshiki but whatever.

Oh, right, you're in close with the band. Uh-huh. I've heard that one before and it usually comes from fans with nothing but snide, hurtful, and sometimes off-the-wall things to say about the band or artist and have monstrous superiority complexes. I'm sorry but I'm not particularly inclined to believe you.
 

Hmmm, just read the whole threat to see how everyone behave about Yoshiki, and hide also... and about the rest, it's useless to continue posting.


I've met those assh0les you said, and it's very funny for me to shut them up with real facts about the band... whatever, lots of friends know who I really am, how many friends I have on japanese music scene, where I've worked writting articles and music reviews, and that's enough for me; I'm not interested if you believe me or not, but well, looking to your comment makes me know I don't have anything to do here, I'll better go with my "lies" somewhere else, believe me, I don't need this.

So, keep on your amazing chit-chat about nothing, I'm out of here... for the rest of the people, I hope I helped you out to know more about X and related stuff from the band and band-members.

Good bye.
 
NO SAVEKI! DON'T GO! WE NEED YOUR X FACTS! YOU MAKE US HAPPY! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAMMIT HYDE!

This is why I said no arguing in the sacred Yoshiki thread. Now we are gonna be left in the dark again!

P.S. I don't know if you read his post previous to his last, but it's obvious he really knows about X, it's not a lie. He told us stuff about about the Last Live that can't be found anywhere

~Drowns in my tears~
 
Don't leave Sakevi...^^, you are actually pretty valuable. I mean, people are starting to think and voice their opinions now. About this whole Yoshiki thing, I think fame has REALLY gotten to his head, but at least we know he CAN write great music, if his indies songs were at least good. It just sucks how he isn't really that....inspirational to me anymore. Oh well, he had a good run while it lasted, but I still repsect the guy, 'cuz even thought he didn't coin "j-rock" and wasn't the first VK guy, he still made it known, but I still think credit should go to who deserves it, like the bands before him
 
Guys, don't make SaVeKi out to be that bad guy, that's not fair. Albeit, some of his arguments were a bit...harsh. But, how do you know that he's saying isn't true? Isn't there a possibility that it is? He has told us some valuble info on X and now he's now longer coming back (maybe...?)
 
SAKEVI ☝

GONE? ☝

what i think right now can me summed up like this:

@!%&ﾂ､ﾂ｣#!!

*ahem* seriously that dude gave us SO much. i had never even
thought of the stuff he brought up. i am so amazed by the amount
of information forever and ever. i sure hope he comes back tho he
may consider us like fangirls and boys but hey we're still young, right?

 
Hey! I never told him to leave. I was simply stating my opinion just like he was. >.< I couldn't stop picking at it anymore then he could so stop acting like it's all my fault if you please. It takes two to tango.

And I can't believe you would willing put up with someone calling you belittling names. That's just...sad. But perhaps that's just me and my idealistic views on self-worth and respect talking.
 
I just read that last page of the thread >.< SakeVi!!! Just don't do that to us and come back please! Just stick around here. Pretty please? ☝ It's all about different opinions. Hyde_is_my_anti-drug acepted yours and you should do the same, even tho you know she is not right. Just don't argue guys. It's pointless.
 
Umm...I don't think SaKeVi was calling us names. When he spoke about the "crazy" fangirls, he meant the ignorant ones who were blinded into believing X was perfect in all ways, the same ones who often blame Toshi for making X disband. He knew that we were X fans, which is why he provided us all that info. If he thought we were crazy, he would have told us all off.
 
*sigh* I guess fighting to defend artists' honor (and their fans) is even more of my idealistic nonsense. Fine, if you wanna be trodden on and lied to that's your business not mine.

God, I'm just so disappointed.
 
How do you know it's all lie? Can you read SaKeVi's mind? You don't know anymore than we do, so you can't call what he tells us a lie. For all we know he may very be telling the truth.

Also, it's ok to defend an artist on info you may know for a fact to be true. But we don't know X, we don't know what went on behind the scenes. So, isn't it possible that what was said on this thread is true?

Artist aren't perfect, because like us they are humans. So we can't sugar coat them and put them on pedestals out of criticisms reach.
 
So, why is it you guys believe him and that's fine but if I don't that's not? By what you just said both points of view are equal. And haven't I said in this very thread that I don't believe Yoshiki's perfect? I said myself that Yoshiki's human and therefore flawed.

And exactly, WE DON'T KNOW. But personally, I'm going to believe what the artists themselves say more then what a fan who I don't trust claims to be true. But that's just me.

Why do I bother? You guys keep proving over and over that you aren't even listening to me.
 
^ Not what I'm saying. It's up to us to choose whether or not we believe him. But, we CAN'T call it lies because the stories may very well be true.

FYI, I wasn't exactly directing that comment toward you. I was just saying in general that people aren't perfect even our beloved artist.

Gah, this thread was so fun before~ What the hell happened?
 
Fun for some, I guess.

Anyway, I'm starting to wonder if VUK is ever getting released...it's a little worrisome. But I guess anything good's worth waiting for, right? And I really do hope it's worth it. The sample of "Mary Mona Lisa" that's up on VUK's myspace keeps me from getting too overly pessimistic though.
 
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