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"shall" and "will"

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What is the implied difference between shall and will here, in Frankenstein, if any?

In one part of the book:


Then, a few sentence later:


 
As we've already said, in cases like this there is virtually no difference. This is especially evident because the person actually said "shall" and the other character remembered it as "will," meaning that they were practically the same meaning in his head. They both express future tense.
 
Thanks!

ありがとう、Jimmy さん、これでやっとはっきりわかりました。すっきりしたー!
 
I'd like to add that words like shall are antiquated, and you sound a bit as if you might be saying saraba in Japanese, rather than sayonara... Where in Japanese this is sort of a linguistic joke, in English it makes you sound a little bit pretentious.
 
"I shall" is more polite than "I will". I will is more direct, and common on a daily basis of conversation. I guess you can say "I shall" is more old fasion
 
"I shall" is more polite than "I will". I will is more direct, and common on a daily basis of conversation. I guess you can say "I shall" is more old fasion
I don't think that politeness enters into it, I just think it's an unused vernacular.
 
Here's an exerpt from the American Heritage dictionary on the usage of "shall" and "will":

 
ありがとうございます、みなさーん!

今日もぽかぽか
お日様にこにこ
おめかし ぺろぺろ
今日も狩りゆく!
われ征鼠大将軍なればなり!
 
I protest - while it may be far less common than 'will' it's by no means 'antiquated' in spoken (British) English!!
The teachers taught us "shall" is antiquated, so I was a bit confused when I spotted "shall" in a showbiz gossip website the other day...(sorry I'm nosey!)
Pete penned: "With the smack and needle-free we shall marry in the summer and I become ten times happier than any given smackhead. Huzzah!"
 
I protest - while it may be far less common than 'will' it's by no means 'antiquated' in spoken (British) English!!
We don't speak the Queen's English here!

The teachers taught us "shall" is antiquated, so I was a bit confused when I spotted "shall" in a showbiz gossip website the other day...(sorry I'm nosey!)
People can tend to write pretentiously, and I mean that in the dictionary sense of the word, rather than the way it is often misused... I was an English poetry moderator at a rather active poetry site for a good while, and one of the things we tried to impress on writers was to stay away from words like shall... things you might read in Shakespeare. People used the words they did in Shakespeare's plays because that is how English was spoken then... People seemed to think that adding flowery language to their poetry would make it better, but it just wound up making it sound awkward.
 
Pete penned: "With the smack and needle-free we shall marry in the summer and I become ten times happier than any given smackhead. Huzzah!"
This quote looks pretty much antiquated to me. What do natives think?
 
Ah, I see. Thank you mukio_michael-san!
I'm not keen on modern poetry, but I know a few poems, so I think I know how they sound
BTW, do you write poems? I tried once but the result was a disaster!

This quote looks pretty much antiquated to me. What do natives think?
English is not my native language (apparently), but I don't think it sounds "antiquated"
Maybe it's because of the context and I know Pete Doherty wrote these sentences...
 
"shall" and "will" in one sentence.

Hi, this might be different from the last one. It's from the same book.

You needn't have touched me! I shall be as dirty as I please! I like to be dirty and I will be dirty!​

"shall" and "will" are used in the same sentence!
 
I think "will" sounds a little stronger than "shall", but both have the same meanings here.
 
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