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Paradox of the Atkins Diet

Golgo_13

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If carbohydrates are responsible for obesity and if the Atkins Diet, which drastically reduces carbs and emphasizes protein, is so successful in helping overfat Americans lose fat, my question is, why aren't Chinese and Japanese people, who consume a lot of carbohydrates in the form of rice and noodles, as fat as Americans?

Could it be that the Oriental diets are lower in fat, refined white flour and sugar, and sweets such as cakes, pies, donuts?

Or maybe the Orientals just eat less and burn it off more?
 
One thing I can think of is...trans fats. A lot of American processed foods involve trans fatty acids. Fast food, candy, cookies...anything from the US has these trans fats that are designed for longer shelf life. IMHO, I can care less about portability and convenience, and care more about nutrionality and freshness.
 
Hachiko is right. Plus the fact that a majority of Oriental people (Oriental or Asian? I don't know which is more proper...) do drink tea, which is extremely helpful in keeping weight down. I could be wrong...
 
I think it has to do with total colorie consumption. My cousin is on the atkins diet and he had to cut out so much of the foods he used to eat that he ended up drastically reducing his overall consumption of food. And by cutting out carbs, he was forced to cut out the worst foods -- the fat and sugar-laden foods. So I think the carbohydrate/protein thing is a red herring and it's a clever trick to stop people from eating so damn much.
 

That too...true that.
 
Some of it is hereditary as well I'm sure....at least the few Orientals I know living in this country that eat a basically American diet don't experience a sudden change of weight as a result.
 
Well, I think some of it is hereditary too. All Japanese I know that live here and have gone to eating junk food(and plenty of it) haven't experienced any change in weight. I've lost this argument before, though, so...I guess I won't get into it again.
 
You two took the words right outta my mouth, you know that. (As well as my Health instructor's mouth, no less!)
 
ok, i went on this rice and noodle diet.. its rough.. but not as rough as letting the coke products go. also been eating alot of broccoli stir fry with a lil bit of steak. im loving this new diet... i figured i watch enough anime and study enough japanese .. i might as well eat japanese! lol, good for shedding a few pounds as well. well i dont have any japanese food stores around. the only japanese food i can find to fix myself is at walmart... and you can imagine how slim the salection is. i dont want to order japanese food online, of all the credit card scams these days.. so im stuck eating muifun noodles,fancy rice, frozen stir fry and egg rolls..... can anyone gimme some good recipes? OHH AND ONE MORE THING... what is wasabi!?!? i saw wasabi in a tube! i donno what it is! lol.. well some pointers plz....
 
neofusion said:
OHH AND ONE MORE THING... what is wasabi!?!? i saw wasabi in a tube! i donno what it is! lol.. well some pointers plz....

It's Japanese horseradish. That's all that I can tell you; perhaps someone else will be more specific.
 
Golgo_13 said:
If carbohydrates are responsible for obesity
They aren't, specifically.

Golgo_13 said:
and if the Atkins Diet, which drastically reduces carbs and emphasizes protein, is so successful in helping overfat Americans lose fat
It may be.

The most sensible analysis I've seen of the Atkins Diet is that meat registers as more food compared to other foodstuffs when eaten so people naturally eat less as they feel full earlier. Just how healthy the Atkins Diet is is another, and highly contested, point.
 

This is the only part that can't seemed to be explained exactly. Technically, with the Atkins diet it is healthy because no side-effects have came out of it yet.

It's funny that I found a post about it because I'm talking about it in a class that I'm involved in. I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
 
Buddha Smoker said:
This is the only part that can't seemed to be explained exactly. Technically, with the Atkins diet it is healthy because no side-effects have came out of it yet.
Technically the Atkins diet is not known not to be healthy because ...

Buddha Smoker said:
I've been teaching on this subject especially since I'm in the beef business.
I guess that my explain why you phrased it like you did

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Hmm, guess there are one or possibly more after all ...
BBC - Science & Nature - Horizon - The Atkins Diet
 

True, I think healthy is a bad choice of words. I think nutritional would be better because the point in the protein and amino acids. I say that technically it is healthy but you are right that it has not be provent to be healthy or unheathy.
 
Would you believe this?

Try this on for size:

Meal 1: 12 donuts, 6 glazed, 6 chocolate, 1 bottle of sprite
Meal 2: McDonalds-Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3: eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, Sprite
Meal 5: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6: McDonald's-2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite


Yes, believe it or not, some people eat like this. The scary part? This person isn't fat! Then again, this is also a pro athelete. (I won't tell you who.)
 
the biggest irony of all is that atkins himslef died of his obesity.
 
yeah... that is so true... lol.. i dont see why everyone is taking advice on how to loose weight from a fat old dead guy!
 

In CNN.com - Atkins' widow criticizes obesity report - Feb. 23, 2004
 

former pro-boxer Mark Breland, when hewas an amateur, said he usually started his day with four (4) McDonald's Quarter-Pounders and Coke.

The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)
 
Golgo_13 said:
former pro-boxer Mark Breland, when hewas an amateur, said he usually started his day with four (4) McDonald's Quarter-Pounders and Coke.

The most I've ever eaten is 3 (when I used to eat fast junk food)

I get full after one but my appetite isn't that big either. I would be scared to eat one now..
 
the guy may not have been obese, but i wonder how clogged his arteries are, they must look like a garden hose that's been used to suction mud from the bottom of a lake.
 
ashuri2 said:
the guy may not have been obese, but i wonder how clogged his arteries are, they must look like a garden hose that's been used to suction mud from the bottom of a lake.

That's a good analogy and fits well
 
couldnt of said it better myself!!!!!!!!!!!! wow ... im a junior member now! sweet! lol, its nice to talk to some ppl on this forums! i like everyone here!
 
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