koi / kitsui

pacerier · 9 Jul 2009

入る
what's the difference between this 2?

iru 入る【いる】 (v5r,vi) to get in; to go in; to come in; to flow into; to set; to set in;

hairu 入る(P); 這入る【はいる】 (v5r) (1) to enter; (2) to break into; (3) to join; to enroll; (4) to contain; to hold; to accommodate; (5) to have (an income of);

nekojita · 10 Jul 2009

1. Google "木は不恰好"

2. 果物 tends to be used for edible fruit.
実 can also cover nuts and seeds and similar things, i.e. コーヒーの実
There is also a word 果実

3. I'd suggest just googling it and looking at how it is used. e.g. 夏真っ盛り, 梅雨真っ盛り or have a look at the examples on something like サービス終了のお知らせ

pacerier · 10 Jul 2009

清明 can be used to describe?
what can be described with 清明 , some examples thanks

清明【せいめい】 (n,adj-na,adj-t) (1) pure and clear;

pocopoco · 10 Jul 2009

There's no difference in meaning in Modern Japanese.
But, we usually use "hairu", not "iru", except for some fixed expressions such as
入り口(iriguchi)、日の入り(hinoiri)、入り江(irie) etc.

- 何者かが窓から建物に入る(はいる)のを目撃した。 (NOT: 何者かが窓から建物に入る（いる）のを目撃した）

In terms of ethymology, "iru" was a basic verb meaning to enter in Old Japanese and "hairu" was made from two verbs, "hau" (to crawl) + "iru" (to enter). Later, "hairu" has taken place of "iru" as a basic verb and "iru" survived in only some fixed expressions.

Note that "ireru" (to put something inside something else) and "iru" (to enter) share their meaning with each other, as do transitive and intransitive verbs. The same pattern can be found in "akeru" (to open stg) and "aku" (to open), "sodateru" (to raise sb) and "sodatsu" (to grow up) etc. In contrast to "iru", "ireru" is frequently used in Modern Japanese.

- 葉書をポストに入れた。

pacerier · 10 Jul 2009

okie thanks, that does clear things up

Elizabeth · 10 Jul 2009

The verb 入（い）る is most common on product packaging and labeling in the form of 入り to signify each carton or box contains a particular ingrediant or has that many pieces of A.

餅入りの鍋焼きうどん (scalloped noodle udon with mochi).
鯖 20個入り(箱) (Box of) 20 mackerals

It is also found in various set expressions, as mentioned above, especially 気に入る。

Putrefaction · 10 Jul 2009

Great topic, because I have difficulty in both reading and choosing between iru / hairu.

pocopoco · 10 Jul 2009

1.
We usually don't use 不恰好 /bukakkou/ for trees.
You might wanna say 醜い木 /minikui-ki/ or, more informally, 汚い木 /kitanai-ki/.

2.
果物 includes both the outer (not edible) and inner (edible) part of the fruit.
実 is only the inner part of 果物. I think there are only a few cases in which you can exchange them.

- スーパーで果物を買った。 (スーパーで実を買った sounds awkward)
- みかんを剥(む)いて実だけを食べた。（NOT: みかんを剥いて果物だけを食べた)

3.
Today, 真っ盛り /massakari/ is usually used rather than 真盛り /masakari/, especially in spoken Japanese. Their meanings are the same.

As nekojita explained, phrases like 夏真っ盛り, literally "in the midst of the summer", are common.

pacerier · 12 Jul 2009

counters (fish)

is it more common to use -hon for counting fishes or -hiki for fishes? or are both just equally common?

pocopoco · 12 Jul 2009

Traditionally, there have been several counters for the fish: 尾 -bi or 匹 -hiki for small fish, 本 -hon for large fish, and 頭 -tou for marine mammals such as whale and dolphin (although not fish). It's a kind of practice, not rule.

In daily conversations, we chiefly use 匹 -hiki for almost all creatures including the fish. So, 匹 -hiki is the most common way of counting fish.

Toritoribe · 12 Jul 2009

実 might be used for ones fruited on trees, as in 椰子の実, コーヒーの実(generally referred to a coffee berry, not a bean), みかんの実(e.g. みかんの実が生った).

@pacerier,
You need to reread undrentide-san's adveice. I recommend you to make just one thread, "pacerier's tiny tiny questions" or something like that.;-)

FinancialWar · 13 Jul 2009

pacerier said:
what can be described with 清明 , some examples thanks
清明【せいめい】 (n,adj-na,adj-t) (1) pure and clear;

that's two Chinese dynasties prior to becoming a republic

undrentide · 13 Jul 2009

pacerier said:
what can be described with 清明 , some examples thanks

清明【せいめい】 (n,adj-na,adj-t) (1) pure and clear;

清明 was used as an adjective in old days, but not any more.
So I cannot give you any examples in modern Japanese language.
Today it is more commonly known as a person's name in the history, 安倍清明（あべのせいめい） .
Abe no Seimei - Wikipedia

pacerier · 15 Jul 2009

ic okie thanks

pacerier · 15 Jul 2009

別別に

別々に; 別別に【べつべつに】 (adv) separately; apart; severally; individually

hi all, can someone form a sentence with this word because i searched http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/ for an example sentence but there isn't one, and i'm not sure how to use it

Elizabeth · 15 Jul 2009

pacerier said:
別々に; 別別に【べつべつに】 (adv) separately; apart; severally; individually

Try a search of this site.

Kirakira1232 · 15 Jul 2009

pacerier said:
別々に; 別別に【べつべつに】 (adv) separately; apart; severally; individually

I usually only use betsu betsu when I'm at a restaurant and they ask me if I want to pay together (issho ni) or separately (betsu betsu).

私たちが一緒に勉強できないみたいんだけど、別に勉強したらどう？
Watashi tachi ga issho ni benkyou dekinai mitain desu kedo betsu ni benkyou shittara dou?
It seems like we cant study together...so how about we study separately?

It is something like this I think. betsu ni is just the opposite of issho in this sense. Although it has another use when you pair it with かまいません。

別にかまいません means "I dont mind at all".

Elizabeth · 15 Jul 2009

Kirakira1232 said:
I usually only use betsu betsu when I'm at a restaurant and they ask me if I want to pay together (issho ni) or separately (betsu betsu).
私たちが一緒に勉強できないみたいんだけど、別に勉強したらどう？
Watashi tachi ga issho ni benkyou dekinai mitain desu kedo betsu ni benkyou shittara dou?

Betsu betsu ni benkyou suru no ha dou ? Maybe you meant. :?

Benkyou shittara dou? I thought is like giving advice : Why not study ? How about studying ? Why don't you study ?

Kirakira1232 · 16 Jul 2009

Elizabeth said:
Betsu betsu ni benkyou suru no ha dou ? Maybe you meant. :?

Benkyou shittara dou? I thought is like giving advice : Why not study ? How about studying ? Why don't you study ?

Ahh that would be the ball park I think

Well thats what I was aiming for I guess Something like "How about we study separately" as a suggestion.

Elizabeth · 16 Jul 2009

@pacerier Paying your way in a restaurant:

Betsu betsu ni onegaishimasu.

pacerier · 19 Jul 2009

赤ちゃん
is it common to use 赤ちゃん to refer to a baby?

if i were to say 赤ちゃん would people understand what i meant

pacerier · 19 Jul 2009

last train
which would be more approriate to use to refer to the last train?

1. 赤電車【あかでんしゃ】
2. 終列車【しゅうれっしゃ】

FinancialWar · 19 Jul 2009

pacerier said:
is it common to use 赤ちゃん to refer to a baby?
if i were to say 赤ちゃん would people understand what i meant

yes and cant you just posted in the translation thread instead of making a new thread?

Elizabeth · 19 Jul 2009

（最）終列車。。。 Oh, and 終車(時刻） for the schedule, i just noticed. Don't think 終列 works though.
終電
最終電車
終発（の電車）

Lighting a red lamp to guide in the final tram in the time before electricity was the so-called 'red' train...

pocopoco · 19 Jul 2009

赤電車なんて言葉聞いたことがないよ。終電、最終電車（列車）が普通だと思う。

I've never heard of the word, 赤電車. We usually say 終電 or 最終電車(列車) .

koi / kitsui

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不幸中の幸い. . . がない.

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松葉解禁

Sempai

Japa'n vagyok

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素敵な冒険始まる！

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素敵な冒険始まる！

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Sempai

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