PockyMonster
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- 22 Apr 2006
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Hana in Plaid said:
Hehe, go ahead, you can take him. <3
Kai shall forever be my squishy.
And yes, pocky is AMAZING!!
Kai shall forever be my squishy.
And yes, pocky is AMAZING!!
Hana in Plaid said:Oh if Kai is yours PockyMonster (Btw I love Pocky too!) and Ruki is yours Cursed Wings, I must have Uruha! *grabs Uruha and runs off*
PockyMonster said:Hehe, go ahead, you can take him. <3
Kai shall forever be my squishy.
And yes, pocky is AMAZING!!
PockyMonster said:We don't get any of the famous/really good ones though.. x_x;;;
The only ones are at Anime conventions, and they're not really VK bands, or really "rock" for that matter.. o_o;;;; At least, not where I live.
Where we only have one con per year... ;_;
dirus_ninjou said:that's not true... Dir en grey are coming to America... Dir en grey do come to America! They count! they aren't VK anymore, but they are still rock. And they are 'famous/really good'. I will agree that we need more.... and Free-Will-America is already working on getting another band to the US.. by the looks of it, that band will be Phantasmagoria, who is still -very much- VK. And, I also agree that they need to go to more countries, even if for only a couple of shows. This whole thing with the Japanese bands not getting into non-Asian countries is bull-**** (excuse my language ), even if it is NOT their fault, they could at least make an effort to show fans that they are trying, and then the fans could help them, ne? I mean, Hana in Plaid *looks at her*, Godisinvincible *looks at her, too*, if you two knew that Gazette and other JRock bands were activly trying to go to your countries and perform, would you try and increase the fanbase so that they would have a better chance at success? Because, more often than not, if a band is trying to do concerts/a tour in a foreign country, especially with a massive language barrier, they will run into 'sorry, you don't have a large enough fanbase.' as the answer from everyone. Increase the fanbase, and you will help the bands... and the existing fans. If the band gets to do a show, and a lot of the fans get to go to said show, chances are, it will shock the bigwigs who said that they didn't have a big enough fanbase, and they will be welcomed back... this is because the bigwigs are seeing dollarsigns (or whatever currency marker is used in your country) instead of ethnicity. they start thinking about how much money that many people are going to make them, as opposed to the language barrier like before. that is a lot written at one time, so... just something to think about. I have a tendency to go on and on when I start ranting.... <.<;;; sorry~!
jamie_kay said:Woah!! the rant was extreamly welcome XDD what you just said is so true!! (im gonna have to re-read it tomorrow when im more awake, but yeah!!) but how would you make the right people hear what you want them to hear - in this case getting J-rockers to come to countries other than Asia, i mean who would you want to hear? and who would help? (sorry if that makes no sense but hey!!)
dirus_ninjou said:that's not true... Dir en grey are coming to America... Dir en grey do come to America! They count! they aren't VK anymore, but they are still rock. And they are 'famous/really good'. I will agree that we need more.... and Free-Will-America is already working on getting another band to the US.. by the looks of it, that band will be Phantasmagoria, who is still -very much- VK. And, I also agree that they need to go to more countries, even if for only a couple of shows. This whole thing with the Japanese bands not getting into non-Asian countries is bull-**** (excuse my language ), even if it is NOT their fault, they could at least make an effort to show fans that they are trying, and then the fans could help them, ne? I mean, Hana in Plaid *looks at her*, Godisinvincible *looks at her, too*, if you two knew that Gazette and other JRock bands were activly trying to go to your countries and perform, would you try and increase the fanbase so that they would have a better chance at success? Because, more often than not, if a band is trying to do concerts/a tour in a foreign country, especially with a massive language barrier, they will run into 'sorry, you don't have a large enough fanbase.' as the answer from everyone. Increase the fanbase, and you will help the bands... and the existing fans. If the band gets to do a show, and a lot of the fans get to go to said show, chances are, it will shock the bigwigs who said that they didn't have a big enough fanbase, and they will be welcomed back... this is because the bigwigs are seeing dollarsigns (or whatever currency marker is used in your country) instead of ethnicity. they start thinking about how much money that many people are going to make them, as opposed to the language barrier like before. that is a lot written at one time, so... just something to think about. I have a tendency to go on and on when I start ranting.... <.<;;; sorry~!
dirus_ninjou said:Thank you. and, don't worry, it makes perfect sense. *nods*
As for the answers to your questions, just start out with your friends and family. Find out what they like in music, get them to listen to something that fits their criteria (shouldn't be too hard to do, there is a little of everything out there, ne?). Keep in mind, this will probably be a LOT easier to do with your friends than your family members, and pictures of bands are a good way to get a conversation going in the direction of JRock. Anyway, next use the band who was mentioned as having 'a good song' to your advantage. Work off of that. go to another band with some of the same qualities, and keep doing that. believe it or not, all the JRock bands tie together in one way or another. if they appear to be losing interest, change it. also, show them the diversity of the bands. play something soft and something hard. and something with drastic vocal changes so that they can hear the amazing ranges that japanese bands have. when they get a band that they like, they will start searching for more, just like we did. everyone does. they want to know how much more they can get. they will also do the same thing to their friends and family, and it will go on and on. <.<; i'm sorry to say that this is the only method i have come across as being able to increase the sizes of jrock fanbases. *sighs* as for who will help... everyone will. in this job, no one is too small or incignificant! :haihai: everyone counts! we start small, and the more people we get hooked, the more they will get hooked, and it is one giant chain-reaction.and then, when sales for these bands in non-Asian countries go up considerably, the bands will see that they have a large fanbase in said countries. they will go to them and will fight very hard for shows. when they get the shows and the venue owners/workers see how many people turn up for them, the bands will be set. more venues will be wanting them to go and perform in their halls. the bands won't be stupid enough to say 'no' to the fans, and the venues won't be seeing anything except how much money they are making from having the bands. but, the answer to your question is: you want everyone to hear. you want them to hear things that they would like. play something for them that they could listen to, and not be stuck on the fact that it is in Japanese. play something where the message is clear even without knowing the language. every band has at least a couple songs that fit that, use them. and if anyone is more concerned about what the music sounds like, as opposed to the lyrics, that is even better. you can find plenty of things to fit any music style. if you have problems locating a specific style, let me know, and i will try and get something to you, kk? any and everyone is who should be targeted. armies are stronger with more numbers, not so much the size of the soldiers. this is an army, but we don't fight with guns and bombs... we fight with music and videos. and we don't fight for race or religion... we fight for bands. we fight because they deserve a chance to be seen and heard, and we want to give them that chance. *dramatic pose*.... ok.. i'm done doing that now... <.<; sorry.. i had to. though, i think i may be on to something with that whole 'army' bit, ne? anyway, if you have any more questions, or if i didn't explain something right, let me know.
dirus_ninjou said:jamie_kay: their managers know the sales rates for the merchandise, and if sales are up in one area, they will look into going to that area... unless they are stupid, in which case, the band members will look into it. the whole situation is basically a matter of profit. if they see that people are willing to order their stuff in, they will be more willing to try for concerts and tours in foreign countries. the only reason i have managed to come to that conclusion is the fact that for the most part, after a spike of sales in a foreign country the band that was subject to those sales has gone to the country the sales were made to. if that wasn't quite clear, i'm sorry.. i tried to word it as best i could, but couldn't think of a better way.
Sea Monster Spit: on my initial rant, i said Phantasmagoria.... there are a TON of JRock bands that need to come here, including D'espairsRay, BLOOD, 12012, D, Rentrer en soi, Vidoll, SADS, Siva, Ghost, and plenty of others... i just didn't want to go through the trouble of listing them all, and Phantasmagoria are already working with FWA to get a couple shows here in the US, if not a full tour. personally, i would like for about 5 or 6 JRock/VK bands to get together and make arangments to come to the US and tour together... just them... no American bands in the line-up... <.<; well, they may end up having to get one American band to be their sponser/headliner, just so that the venues will allow it, but other than that, no American bands. i mean, it's not like there isn't several instances where -our- bands go to Japan and tour with one or two of their bands as opening acts, so why can't they do the same, ne? or am i the only one who thinks it a little messed up that they are always willing to let our bands go there and tour, while our bands are too stuck up to let them open for one of their american tours? *gives KoRn more points for letting Diru join FV* For example, just last year (or the year before, not sure exactly which.. ) between 7 and 10 of our bands, including Simple Plan, toured in Japan as opening acts for one of their bands. As of yet, the only American band who has taken the liberty of asking a Japanese band to open for them has been KoRn, and they weren't even part of that tour! it's sad, really. if the American bands and venues would open their eyes, and clean the s**t out of their ears, they would realize that we WANT these bands to come and play in our countries.
*loses train of thought and re-reads posts*...they have? *shrugs* i didn't know that.. i just knew that Phantasmagoria has been working with FreeWill to get shows here.... they one a vote that was on the FWA site, so that is why they have been working on it recently.
anyway, what i was getting at was the fact that there are plenty of bands that need to come to the US, including those mentioned above, and Gazette. the only way to get them here is to make sure that more people want them here, meaning increase the fanbase. we create fans, fans create sales, sales create shows. it will seem like a long and slow process, but as long as we keep our eye on the goal, and don't lose hope, then it won't be that bad.
you need to get nightmare and rentrer en soi too for your gallery there really really really goodsea monster spit said:this is a link to my photobucket, which has a ton of jrock photos. gazette is in there, so go look ;]
i would put all the dir engrey photos i have in there, but there are over 2,000 photos i have, i believe.
maybe even more.
when i get the motivation, i'll try to put them up. XD
So does this give me an excuse to buy more JRock stuff? Hehehehe...dirus_ninjou said:bands know that their fanbase is growing when their managers notice a considerable sales increase to any given area. when that happens, they try and get shows in that area. more american bands need to let the Japanese bands go on their tours, like the Japanese do for the Americans. and as fans of JRock, we need to be trying to get as many bands over here as possible, not just limit ourselves to trying to get one or two of our favorites.
Precious4e said:So does this give me an excuse to buy more JRock stuff? Hehehehe...
Sigh* Right now my main focus is Gazette, D'espairsRay, Dir En Grey, and Miyavi. But I really need to start getting into other bands. Rentrer En Soi, SID, and Kagerou all sound pretty good but I need to find time to dig for more songs. Hehehe if I like them I usually start buying all their CDs and stuff
sea monster spit said:i wish my mother would understand my love for japan.
she thinks what i spend my money on is a waste.
sometimes i want to slap sense into her.