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FAQ Feature requests

Add Games to Humor & Tests sub-forum

No offense to any fans of the "Post about the above person" type threads, but I do not think they belong in Chit-Chat & Misc. Wouldn't they be better placed in the Humor & Tests sub-forum? It's a compromise to outright barring the creation of such threads, and would require little effort to implement.
 
I think what this forum need is a Rogue Thread *insert dramatic music*, no topic, no direction, just whatever people happen to be talking about at the time. That way when threads get off topic the discussion can be moved to The Rogue Thread *insert dramatic music again*

Anything goes on The Rogue Thread *dramatic music*

...Ok, I'll stop now.
 
I like to see Chat ROOM and (( New Style )) better than this style ...

Like This Style Loading... it is Arabic Site ^^

and thanks for this thread ......
 
Well I'm happy to lend my skills as a web developer to any project which might need them if that would be helpful. More than happy to forward my CV, tho obviously it would only be part time volunteer work.

As for specific features, ironing out some of the cross-browser bugs might be nice? I recall I posted in the support section with some faults under Safari.
 
it's an idea to discuss with the team. Thank you for your idea, and sorry for the late reply.
 
Should there be a warning "you haven't posted for..." encouraging people making useless posts? It's not the number that counts. If you have nothing to say just read, IMHO.
 
Honesty and informations, why and what was deleted.

Because at the beginning, it was done. . .

highly suspicious
 
Moderators: Dutch Baka and Mikawa Ossan

It would appear to me that this forum needs a permanant "Off Topic" thread for "Off Topic" posts, with full consideration for the moderators constantly complaining all the time about the subject.

Taking into consideration that Mikawa sent me a PM yesterday backed up by Mr. DB moderator, claiming because I had mentioned aboriginals in reply to another post, taking into account we have Japanese Aboriginals, and Australian, both of which had a mention in my post, and taking into account they were both victims of racism and discrimination, and taking into account that it was posted on the Racism/Duscrimination thread, and taking into account that they scored me two "Infarctions" (Whatever that is), obviously for you moderators to do that does not make any sense, certainly with all the members I have been discussing..

I have a funny feeling it was something more personal with the two of you, but rather, no logical reasons going bvy your PM's. I know Mikawa was not listening to anything.

If the two of you consider a small part of a post to be off topic, and you consider that good enough reason the remove someone from this forum, well I'm sorry, it really cannot be a forum.

Mikawa also closed the whaling and dolphin thread.. God bloody knows why, considering it was hot topic property discussion from all sides..

Then Mikawa tells me all about it in his email..

Then Mikawa opens his own thread on the topic and demands that people post the way he wants on it..

I mean, come on DB and MO.. How can you to think you "Own" the forum, becuase that's what it looks like..

You are telling people what to say, clsoing threads because either one of you does not like them, opening your own threads telling people how to post on your own threads, where does it stop boys?

The biggest problem we have is you guys honestly do not make yourselves clear.. It shows in your PM's and posts, and comments, and complaints..

Guys, honestly, get real, listen to the members opinions as it really does work both ways..

You guys need to lighten up and enjoy yourselves more and don't take it so personally..

If you think you are not up to the job, and certainly what I have seen the two of you are not, I would suggest you explain it to the forum owner and move on..

Someone else will take over because from what I can see throghout all the threads is your cosnatnt complainings to each user which ultimately makes everyone feel uncomfortable..

Like I said, PLEASE, no more of your PM'S, write directly to me at ozshock@gmail.com as logging in to the site to reply is a apin in the butt when one is busy..

I think this post is totally on topic to the heading of the trhead entitled: "Site Feedback/Admin Contact"

I also do not agree with mdoerators targetting specific users by commenting to them on the actual forum.

If you have issues against a user, please do the right thing and contact them privately, otherwise it just causes more havoc and problems on the forum, as well as making the specific user you have the problem with uncomfortable.

I am hear to listen to you guys, if you would like some honest advice, I am here to work with you..

Please do not take offence at my above as it is not intended for that, but rather the honest truth.

My PM comments to you guys were totally ignored and you both replied totally off topic to what I wrote.
 
Second most of this above from similar own experiences.

Btw, I copied it, in case. . .
 
Important

It would also be good to hear other user's opinions on this so talked about "Off Topic" subject.

Like I said, I suspect the two moderators are not agreeing with certain issues in certain posts in certain threads for personal reasons, that are actually on topic. It appears to be a personal thing so this is when they claim off topic, as we can see so many times..

Possibly even including an Off Topic Icon to attach to a new thread that may be Off Topic for example?

I really enjoy this forum, but DB and MO really need to lighten up and stop taking people's opinions personally as evryone is entitled to their own opinion on a forum. That's what forums are for..

I find so many users posts so interesting, Chi, definitely your's, I have learnbt heaps about certain Japan issues and it really is a great way to find out from the international side about Japan..

What we need is more Japanese posters, but the way it stands with consatnt complaints on threads from DB and MO, they are likely to scare posters away..
 
An unlimited time for editing except just one to two days would be as appreciated, btw, as is usus on many forums!!
 
This is to acknowledge Kyoto Returnee's proposition.


It would appear to me that this forum needs a permanant "Off Topic" thread for "Off Topic" posts, with full consideration for the moderators constantly complaining all the time about the subject.

This kind of thing (which is basically what MadamePapillon has proposed above) might be kind of fun, in a way. A total nonsense thread. Of course, it would be a thread rather than a sub-forum or forum, and it would be under Chit Chat & Miscellaneous.

Even with that, however, it would be under all the rules of JREF. Therefore the rule against being off topic would equally apply there...but only in reverse--that is, no one could post a reply that would be more than, say, 30% in regards the theme/topic of that thread (which would be, of course...something like...'Off Topic Discussion of Black Holes On the Moon'...)

By way of establishing a few facts that might clear up some questions seen from your proposal, Kyoto Returnee san, I might point out that Dutch Baka san is administration, under AdminJP san. I am a moderator as is Mikawa Ossan san, which is a position under administration.

At JREF, we have primarily three modes of communication, namely (in order of usage, the boards (forums in total), the Private Message system, and the CHAT ROOM. The first and third modes are public and the second one is private.

There will be times when we on the JREF staff will use the PM system to ask members questions or to advise them, or make requests. There will be times when we choose to do so publicly--it is at each staff member's discretion and discern. In my case, and likely equally most other team member's cases, when we choose to draw the attention of a specific member in public, it is exactly for the reason of transparency.

In the case of a post dealing with a moderating matter, it is exactly due to that specific member's lack of execution of a team member's request, and therefore (when it can fairly be judged and held valid) the member in question should feel a bit uncomfortable.

An infraction is just as a good dictionary will define it. The one you recieved (and you only recieved one infraction but it carries two points), I have investigated, and judge it to have been lawfully given.

The post in question contained far more content on the situation in Australia than that of Japan, and the thread was under the 'Japanese News and Hot Topics' forum under what is 'Japan Forum.' This area is to talk about things Japanese, and the thread was to talk about things in Japan. There had been a public warning given in post #36 after at least one already off-topic post each by you and Chi65 (which were allowed to stand). It is fair enough.

I feel need to point out, Kyoto Returnee san, that you have joined JREF on December 18, 2007 yet JREF has been here for a while. You joined as a bonafide member of this forum, agreeing by doing so to follow the rules that we have. One of those rules is to adhere to the topic/theme of a thread upon which one is posting, and the forum in which the thread is situated.

At times, we give a slight break to some who are new (such as I had done in my post # 84 on the Animal Cruelty in Japan thread, by giving slack to otoko san who is very new) but as a member gets to know the place, the way things work, and how we on the team work, then we expect greater adherence to our advice, requests and actions taken.

While it is good that you are speaking up and making a proposal for the 'Off Topic' thread, and speaking your mind on some things, thereby giving us the chance to clear them up for you and all, I would suggest that you do keep in mind that JREF is here, and has been here, and while we wish to give fair and due consideration to the members at large, it would be very unproductive and negative-in-outcome to entertain the idea that anyone is exempt from the basic rules and procedures we have here.

If you are reluctant to open your PMs, and in the case that failure to open them, read, and act on them causes any loss, that loss is fully your own responsibility. We, are here to work with you, Kyoto Returnee and Chi65 (since you seconded the motion) but it will be within the guidelines of the Forum Rules, and we shouldn't expect to see them changing any time soon.

Thank you for your help in making the democratic mode work here at JREF, for I strongly feel that has its own place here at JREF too--within limits and to certain degrees. ( I say this because the membership cannot vote on rule changes, or such things, per se...the site has private ownership {which is very fair, I do reason from my experience here})

I hope this serves the purpose well on the areas touched on here. Thank you. Mars Man
 
Thank you for your reply Mars Man San:

I didn't agreed to disagree with the two originals that originally wrote to me simply because I knew voicing my opinion with them didn't get a reply and was never going to.

The problem here is, surely it gets just a little to "picky" to see that someone's post, simply because less than "half" was on topic so the off topic part of the post breaks the rules, surely is a little "strict" if you get what I mean?

When I reply to any post, and quite a few users, although not all, respond in an honest deeply thought out manner, only to have a modertaor claim that part of the post, let's say 60/100 words were off topic, to me, really seems a little bit silly..

What I dislike is people that post on a thread, attacking another member, simply because, It would appear, they don't agree with their topic opinions, to me is totally off topic..

I may point out that a moderator (no names mentioned) has constantly done this. As you say, I am fairly new, but it was one of the first things I noticed, and later volunteered information to me form other members when they may have been warned.. It all started to add up..

I am no stranger to forums, having been selling online for 15 years, and being a moderator of an authentic brand name product forum for nine years..

Of course we generally do not ban any user simply for their posts being partly off topic as their would not honestly be a forum if that happened as you will notice with this forum..

I think the Off Topic thread may or may not work, having said that, I feel it is important if any user suspects that his or her post may be Off Topic, that the J forum needs an OT icon to attach to the post, otherwise the discussions are going to consistently go haywire with moderators more often than not, as I have seen in the short time joined, in the many posts..

It can be difficult for posters, as we are all human, to post on topic 100% of the time because when people reply to posts in an honest and deeply thought manner, minds will wodner which is only natural.

These posters may feel quite deeply envolved even at night whilst sleeping, so to have a moderator or administartor write to them telling them they have an Infarction, lost a point, whatever, can really only add insult to injury..

I urge the moderators to have a good look at the word "Moderation" and thing more sensibly, not randomly and personally as is obvious on the current forum.

Hope this once again puts some more ideas into your mind.

All the best - KR
 
You are most welcome; and thank you for taking the time to expound--I appreciate that.

There will be some discussion among staff members and with administration on the matter (including, of course AdminJP), and whatever results come up from that will be published on the boards for all to see. It will take some time, however.

Again, as for being off topic, we are more concerned about 1.) those who do so habitually...and we do watch carefully enough, 2.) incautious off-topic posts made in situations which often lead to uncontrolled emotional buildups, and 3.) posts that are materially off-topic after warning has been given--especially that which is publicly given in a thread.

Again, just to make it unchallengeably clear, members have agreed to the obligation to abide by the rules by joining up as members of JREF. We have rules on posting off topic. If one were to check over all the available posts throughout the past year, one will find that we are lenient enough. (especially, as said before, for a period after one has newly joined)

Regardless of circumstances beyond the immediate (JREF) I take it you are here as a member at JREF, Kyoto Returnee san, because you want to be a member here. Speaking for myself, and surely on behalf of the staff as well, I am happy to have you as a member here at JREF.

We all look forward to your future posting here, as well as your acceptance of the Forum Rules, our moderating judgment (and all have the right to present challenge as you have actively done), advice, suggestions, and requests we communicate (privately and publicly), and the decisions handed down from the administration--AdminJP and Dutch Baka.

Further will come on this once full discussion has been completed. As I said above, it might take some time. I appreciate your concern, and your willingness to adhere to our decision, and your patience. Talk to you later !

Mars Man
 
An unlimited time for editing except just one to two days would be as appreciated, btw, as is usus on many forums!!

This rule is set because it would be strange to edit a post 2 days later while already a couple of people have responded to it.

If a post really need to be edited, you can always contact a moderator or an admin when you can't do it yourself anymore.

Btw, this is Jref, not other forums.
 
You are most welcome; and thank you for taking the time to expound--I appreciate that.

Speaking for myself, and surely on behalf of the staff as well, I am happy to have you as a member here at JREF.

Talk to you later !

Mars Man

Thanks Mars Man san and I have definitely appreciated and enjoyed your posts, I am not only speaking for myself, and have definitely heard same.

We like you;-)

Bed for an early Friday night!
 
An off topic thread sounds fine by me, even though I think we already have one
. Thank you for your input Kyoto Returnee!


I'd like less time to wait in between posts.


The reason for this, is because we have (it's been pretty quit recently) had a some trolls here, and without this rule the would be posting 20-30 threads within 10 minutes saying very racist stuff about Japanese. To prevent this we have decided to have a 30 second rule between posting.

I'm sorry, but I don't think we can do anything about this.
 
I'd like to see the Japan Forum circa 2004.
 

I noticed, far too well. . .btw, I never had any serious problems on other forums, with far more strict rules even, nor with their moderators, for years!

Some edits simply would be nice, if one finds typos or misleading explanations, which often happens with non-native english speakers.
It proved to be very usefull (apart from being nice) on other places.

As for the non-answerings of certain moderators, if normally questioned as a newbie at the beginning, I better don't open that can here, but it would be about you, DB (and partly MO), like several other things too, that I found more than unpolite or helpfull from the beginning until now. Its the first time that I visit such an unfriendly, unjust and picky forum.
I am staying here for the people I like, but shake my head. . .
particularly about the long lead, that was given to some very agressive japanese and few non japanese flamers and obviously propagandists of very dubious character, in contrary of according defenders.
Fairnes is not your best. . .
 
IMO, allowing unlimited edits is a bad ieda. If it's for tyops and mislaeding statements, etc., we don't ned it. ts nt tht bd, w cn stll undrstnd jst fn.
 
I noticed, far too well. . .btw, I never had any serious problems on other forums, with far more strict rules even, nor with their moderators, for years!
I hear you.
Some edits simply would be nice, if one finds typos or misleading explanations, which often happens with non-native english speakers.
It proved to be very usefull (apart from being nice) on other places.
Check your post before posting is also an option for the typos. Regarding misleading explanations. A lot of times when a moderator sees this, he or she will ask the poster to change the post or make it more clear if it is really necessary. Reporting a post also helps.

As for the non-answerings of certain moderators, if normally questioned as a newbie at the beginning
It's a rare thing, that happened to you... sorry for that... and I guess you just can't forget.



Sorry to hear that, I'm happy not everyone thinks the same as you. Hope the future will be better for both.
 
An off topic thread sounds fine by me, even though I think we already have one
. Thank you for your input Kyoto Returnee!

You are welcome, and I see what you mean to the extreme their..

I will send a few of our Aboriginal boys up their next time to sort em out;-)

Right, let's move on..

IMO, allowing unlimited edits is a bad ieda..

I cannot say good or bad and did not relaize their was a limit to how many posts one could edit.

I edit virtually every post due to typos..

I also find that seeing double is also common, not only for me with an "Auto-merge" of 2 in 1.

How many posts are we allowed to edit?

Not sure if that's a fault?
 
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