Question Does "There are a lot of people on the beach now" sound stiff?

hirashin · 3 Sep 2020

Dear native English speakers,

Do all the sentences sound natural?
1 There is a big ginkgo tree near my house.
2 There are a lot of people on the beach now.
3 Is there a lion in the zoo?
4 Are there any students at school today?
5 There are ten balls in the box.
6 There is a baby on the bed.
7 There are many birds in the park.
8 Is there any water in the bottle?
9 Are there any tall buildings in your city/town?
10 Is there a bookshelf in your room?
11 There are a lot of wild animals around here.

A native English speaker from Australia says 2 sounds stiff. What do you think?

mdchachi · 3 Sep 2020

hirashin said:
Dear native English speakers,

Do all the sentences sound natural?
1 There is a big ginkgo tree near my house.
2 There are a lot of people on the beach now.
3 Is there a lion in the zoo?
4 Are there any students at school today?
5 There are ten balls in the box.
6 There is a baby on the bed.
7 There are many birds in the park.
8 Is there any water in the bottle?
9 Are there any tall buildings in your city/town?
10 Is there a bookshelf in your room?
11 There are a lot of wild animals around here.

A native English speaker from Australia says 2 sounds stiff. What do you think?

They all sound fine to me.

Lothor · 3 Sep 2020

Me too.

hirashin · 3 Sep 2020

Thanks for the help, mdchachi and Lothor. OK. I'll leave #2 as it is.

Buntaro · 4 Sep 2020

hirashin said:
There are a lot of people on the beach now.

"There are a lot of people on the beach now" and "there are a lot of people at the beach now" do not have the same meaning (American English).

Lothor · 4 Sep 2020

Buntaro said:
"There are a lot of people on the beach now" and "there are a lot of people at the beach now" do not have the same meaning (American English).

For me, I don't see a difference!

Buntaro · 5 Sep 2020

Lothor said:
For me, I don't see a difference!

Okay, how about these examples:

Let's meet in the library.
Let's meet at the library.

Lothor · 5 Sep 2020

I see it with the library, which has an inside and an outside, but with both beach sentences I'd be expecting to meet the person on the sand.

Buntaro · 6 Sep 2020

Lothor said:
with both beach sentences I'd be expecting to meet the person on the sand.

I think "at the beach" refers to possibly meeting someone on the boardwalk fronting the beach, whereas "on the beach" does not (American English).

Lothor · 6 Sep 2020

I see. With something like that, I suppose we all have different images of what a beach looks like. I immediately think of the beaches of my childhood in Wales, which often didn't have a boardwalk. Like this one.

hirashin · 6 Sep 2020

It's always interesting to know differences between UK and US English. Thank you, Buntaro and Lothor. (I used "differences" here. Am I using it correctly?)

Lothor · 6 Sep 2020

Yes, use is correct. But this difference may have originated from our different images of beaches not from our different countries.

mdchachi · 10 Sep 2020

I agree with Lothor's interpretation.
To me, everybody in the picture is at the beach but only the two kids in front are on the beach.

hirashin · 10 Sep 2020

Thanks for the detailed explanation, mdchachi.

dogdays21 · 11 Sep 2020

IMO, The preposition "on" implies a more specific location, whereas "at" is more general in location. Someone who is "on the beach" implies that they are physically standing/laying/sitting etc. on the actual beach. Someone who is "at the beach" can mean they are somewhere in the vicinity of the beach, but not actually physically on top of the actual beach; they can be on the nearby boardwalk, shops, rocks, cliffs, etc.

Similar to how "at the seashore" is used. Someone taking a holiday "at the seashore" will be different from someone taking a holiday "on the seashore". The first implies proximity while the second implies specific location.

Buntaro · 12 Sep 2020

mdchachi said:
everybody in the picture is at the beach but only the two kids in front are on the beach.

I agree with your analysis. The area for at is bigger than the area for on.

dogdays21 · 12 Sep 2020

hirashin said:
Dear native English speakers,

Do all the sentences sound natural?
1 There is a big ginkgo tree near my house.
2 There are a lot of people on the beach now.
3 Is there a lion in the zoo?
4 Are there any students at school today?
5 There are ten balls in the box.
6 There is a baby on the bed.
7 There are many birds in the park.
8 Is there any water in the bottle?
9 Are there any tall buildings in your city/town?
10 Is there a bookshelf in your room?
11 There are a lot of wild animals around here.

A native English speaker from Australia says 2 sounds stiff. What do you think?

Although all of the sentences are grammatically correct, some may be written in the vernacular more likely to be used by native speakers.

When possible, it is better to use the active, instead of the passive, written form. Many people also like to shorten the sentence where possible; word economy is preferred. Thus, these sentences may be better rewritten as :

#2. There are many people on the beach now.

#3. Is there a lion in the zoo?

This sentence is a bit awkward because it implies the writer is asking if the zoo contains just one lion, when most zoos will contain more than one.

Perhaps it may be rewritten as: Does the zoo have lions?

#5. The box contains ten balls.

#9 Are there tall buildings in your town? Or. Does you town have tall buildings?

dogdays21 · 12 Sep 2020

mdchachi said:
I agree with Lothor's interpretation.
To me, everybody in the picture is at the beach but only the two kids in front are on the beach.

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I've often found visuals convey an idea better than words, especially for non-native speakers. Great example.

mdchachi · 12 Sep 2020

dogdays21 said:
Perhaps it may be rewritten as: Does the zoo have lions?

#5. The box contains ten balls.

You're missing the point of the grammatical pattern he's trying to teach his students.

dogdays21 · 12 Sep 2020

mdchachi said:
You're missing the point of the grammatical pattern he's trying to teach his students.

Oh? Hmm, there did seem to be a pattern in each sentence structure.

Well then, please disregard my ramblings.

Michael2 · 12 Sep 2020

Also, in England at least you would always say "a lot of" instead of "many", and I think you should include "any" in the question form with plurals.

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