media: "innocent till proven guilty" does not work on chinaHenry G said:It is definitely a propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!
If North Korea has missiles, the most dangerous countries are South Korea, Japan, and China!!! Just look at the map. How near North Korea is to Beijing and the Northeastern Industry centers!!!!!!
Mainlanders are not silly enough to provide missle technology to a unstable neighbor!!!
I think more knowledge on mainland from various perspectives will help you a lot.
Henry G said:It is definitely a propaganda!!!!!!!!!!!!
If North Korea has missiles, the most dangerous countries are South Korea, Japan, and China!!!
Henry G said:Just look at the map. How near North Korea is to Beijing and the Northeastern Industry centers!!!!!!
Because they don't trust in the sanity of this great leader in NK.Index said:China and the DPRK are allies. Indeed the PRC is the DPRK's best trading and diplomatic partner, so why wouldn't they swap military technology as well as dual use technology or civilian technology.
No reason to worry, then.a scholar at a conservative Washington think tank claimed Monday.
There is technology and there is TECHNOLOGY.bossel said:Because they don't trust in the sanity of this great leader in NK.
bossel said:No reason to worry, then.
reuters are also the one got horrible chinese translator and publish news without checking itIndex said:There is technology and there is TECHNOLOGY.
Ha ha but it must be right if Washington says so. :nuts: At least its not the Project for the New American Century (or is it??)
Here's another side of the coin:
Reuters ("NORTH KOREA SAYS HAS "SHOCKING EVIDENCE" OF US PLOT", 2006-04-20) reported that the DPRK has charged the US with counterfeiting its own currency and shifting the blame to Pyongyang. A spokesman for the Ministry of People's Security said in a statement the DPRK had obtained "shocking evidence" Washington and Tokyo are producing false material that gives the impression Pyongyang is a criminal state, the DPRK's KCNA news agency said late Wednesday. "The CIA secretly enlist(s) experts on counterfeiting notes claimed to be the 'most sophisticated in the world' and invite(s) them to issue lots of fake currencies at 'counterfeit notes printing houses of North Korean-style' operating in U.S. military bases in different parts of the world," the spokesman said.
mingo said:reuters are also the one got horrible chinese translator and publish news without checking it [...] decided to close it down for one day for obvious reason. what reason? you can't tell from english, but if u can read chinese, it become quite obvious, both blog's name contain the word "breast", [...] Reuter didn't even mention that, or do they really know this fact? prob not..they rushed to publish the news said it's blocked, but found it back on the day after..
it was not shutdown by the government, but the owner closed it for a day... that's a big difference..Index said:I don't see your point. Even if Reuters were not aware of the reasons why the blog was shut down, the point of the article is that it was shutdown. The reasons were not the issue, so Reuters did not go into them. I don't think shutting down a blog for containing the word "breast" is justified anyway. Not exactly freedom of expression. If you think that is offensive you are either really naive or too willing to believe the censors.
mingo said:it was not shutdown by the government, but the owner closed it for a day... that's a big difference..
just like the government restrict you walk out the house vs you own decistion to stay at the house for a day.
I am not saying chinese government didn't do bad things, but we can't accuse them for things they didn't do. and also, u might understand that the western media no different from chinese ones, news are censored, not neccessary the government, but the favor of its reader. A right-wing leaning paper won't publish a left leaning report to piss off it's reader.. just like the story " 50 steps laugh at 100 steps".. (during a battle, the losing side of soldier are running, some stop at 50 steps, some stop at 100 step, do the 50-steper loser have the right to laugh at 100-stepper loser?"). what really matters is the faith of media(not neccessary involve religion) , unfortunately, keep the faith prob means report the truth, and admiting mistakes.. it takes a man to admit a mistake, I am wondering how many man is needed in order to face the truth ..hehe.
godppgo said:My friend, you're missing the point. It's all about having a choice. Western media provide choices for their reader. Chinese media provides no alternative to the CCP propoganda.
mingo said:don't fell into the self righteous trap just because you have choice
there are many alternative choice in china too, u don't need to listen (and you won't) to what the state media said, there are news website all over the net, even if it's blocked, then you will learn how to use a proxy server.. it's also considered as "choice", only available the the one who really want it..heheIndex said:There is a choice though. Aside from Reuters there are other news agencies available (for example) in English such as Associated Press or AFP (see www.news.yahoo.com). Aljazeera is another one (http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage), or all the other coutless sources (including non-English) available. If you wanted to you could get a decent picture of what was going on.
Now in regard to the original Reuters article, it states that "because of unavoidable reasons known to all, this blog is now temporarily closed". You can therefore arguably understand why Reuters concluded that the blog had been forcibly shut down, especially in light of other documented cases of government censure in the PRC. Moreover, the blog writer, when questioned by Reuters, gave strange and inconsistent answers such as:
1. "I really don't want to talk about it. How do I explain this? After Western media report what I say, it will not be the same as what I actually said",
2. "When I feel the time is suitable, I will speak up"
3. "We tried the prank to test how foreign media would react"
4. "I like telling jokes, but this really wasn't a joke and it wasn't meant to deceive everyone"
So on the surface it would seem like there are two plausible scenarios. One is that the PRC did indeed shut down the blog but then allowed it to open the next day following international attention and criticism. This might explain some of Mr. Wang's statements such as nm. 2 (above) or perhaps even nm. 1.
Alternatively, Mr. Wang did indeed shut his own blog down as a hoax. In this case, I think you should be criticising him for introducing uncertainty and confusion into the West's perception of the PRC, rather than Reuters who reacted and investigated what was seemingly a case of State internet censure.
mingo said:what is really need in order for u to believe the explanation of the blogger, if u can even trust what he said, what make reuters or others more trustworthy while they are not even involved [...] if u kept think "I don't believe in this guy, there must be something going on." then you will never make friend with him, and will never know what exactly happened.
Index said:Alternatively, Mr. Wang did indeed shut his own blog down as a hoax. In this case, I think you should be criticising him for introducing uncertainty and confusion into the West's perception of the PRC, rather than Reuters who reacted and investigated what was seemingly a case of State internet censure.