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Yasukuni Shrine and other controversial topics.

Buddha Smoker

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I've been doing a little research and thought I would open this open with some questions to see what kind of response I get.

How does the Yasukuni Shrine controversy AND one of the following (the comfort women OR Rape of Nanking controversy) illustrate the issue of responsibility for WWII? Why was there such a controversy about PM Koizumi visiting the shrines? How does this controversy reflect the issue of war guilt and responsibility and the effect on modern Japanese relations with Asia?
 

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Buddha Smoker said:
I've been doing a little research and thought I would open this open with some questions to see what kind of response I get.
It is in fact a huge topic, the following is nothing more than a bit of backgrounds. No basics such as Boshin civil war or Bruno Bitter is to be covered here, and Google is always helpful when any of info below sounds questionable.

窶「 The name list of the war dead was provided to Yasukuni shrine by the Ministry of Health and Welfare. The 1967 list included the class A war criminals.

窶「 Yasukuni decided on Jun. 30th 1970 to enshrine the class A war criminals sometime, and left the date up to the chief priest. Fujimaro Tsukuba, the fifth chief priest, refused to do that for eight years.

窶「 Prime ministers had been visiting the shrine 34 times after the war without public protests, before Takeo Miki's "private" visit on Aug. 15th 1975 which became a domestic controversy. The "private/official" distinction became the issue since then.

窶「 When Tsukuba passed away in 1978, Nagayoshi Matsudaira, the sixth chief priest, immediately enshrined the war criminals at his own discretion. Criminals whose qualifications were questionable included there too: Fumimaro Konoe for instance did not die on duty, not to mention that he was a civilian.

窶「 Emperor Hirohito had visited Yasukuni eight times after the war, but he stopped that after his last visit in Nov. 1975.

窶「 Matsudaira was known for having strange ideas. He believed that Naruhito (current crown prince) should not study in Oxford, according to the former imperial household grand master Sukemasa Irie. Matsudaira expressed his anger in many occasions about a prime minister's "contemptuous" visit with four police bodyguards too.

窶「 Matsudaira reportedly said that everything was fine because he was going to confide the enshrinement only to the bereaved families, but newspapers found that out in Apr. 1979, making it a domestic controversy. People's Daily reported that in 1980 but no criticism or concern from Chinese government at that time.

窶「 Tadashi Yuzawa became the seventh (current) chief priest in 1992 after Matsudaira's resignation. Currently the shrine and government are pointing fingers at each other: Yasukuni insisting that they enshrined the criminals following the name list, impossible to separate certain spirits once they become a part of whole, while Ministry of Labor, Health and Welfare insisting that the list was just for reference, interventions are unconstitutional due to freedom of religion.

窶「 After the initial report by People's Daily, there was no complaint from Chinese government about the visits of prime ministers, namely Zenko Suzuki on Apr. 21st, Aug. 15th, Oct. 17th (1981,) Apr. 21st, Aug. 15th, Oct. 18th (1982) and Yasuhiro Nakasone on Apr. 21st, Aug. 15th, Oct. 18th (1983,) Jan. 5th, Apr. 21st, Aug. 15th, Oct. 18th (1984,) Jan. 21st and Apr. 22nd (1985.) Those visits were conducted under "private" or "decline to answer" conditions.

窶「 Chinese government's complaint for the first time was on Aug. 14th 1995 about the first "official" visit on Aug. 15th by Yasuhiro Nakasone. China learned that Yasukuni criticism was useful for diplomatic pressures, which was helped by collaborations with anti-Japan pro-China groups inside Japan. They also succeeded in making it unable for prime ministers to visit the shrine for more than a decade until Jul. 29th 1996, after the Socialist Party more or less disappointed the nation.
 

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Buddha Smoker said:
Why was there such a controversy about PM Koizumi visiting the shrines?
It is said that the former prime minister Nakasone speculates that the controversy was raised in China mainly for the internal political struggles: the conservative Dティng Xiǎopテュng and Lǐ Pテゥng to drive the pro-Japan Hテコ Yテ?obāng out.
Hテコ lost his position in 1987 and died in 1989, students gathered at Tiān'ānmテゥn Square to mourn his passing, everybody knows what happened there.

The end of Cold War and the deepened economic ties with the US during the Clinton administration made it necessary for China to find a new villain nation besides the American Empire to deflect people's attentions from domestic problems, and there conviniently exists a submissive one right next to them.

Koizumi seems to be using Yasukuni visits as the break pedal in diplomatic negotiations: when Japan's position is in disadvantage, he can at least halt it for a while by making China mad.
 

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Buddha Smoker said:
Why was there such a controversy about PM Koizumi visiting the shrines?

The Yasukuni Shrine is where the Class A criminals are enshrined (as previously mentioned), criminals who were responsible for the slaughter of 35 million Chinese people and the sexual slavery of countless Asian women. By visiting that shrine, Japanese politicians are demonstrating that they think Japan did the right thing in WW2. That's why it's controversial, and anyone on the receiving end would feel the controversy.
 

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By visiting that shrine, Japanese politicians are demonstrating that they think Japan did the right thing in WW2.
From a Yomiuri article (no longer available online)
In return, Hu criticized Koizumi's repeated visits to Yasukuni Shrine as an obstacle to political exchanges between the two countries. Koizumi, however, stressed his intention to continue visiting the shrine, which honors the nation's war dead. He said, "I visit the shrine to pledge never to fight a war again."
It is fine that Chinese never understand such kind of pacifist mentality, but it does not mean that they have rights to ignore diversity and press Chinese "virtue" to the rest of the world including Japan.


Japan War Dead Shrine Says Site Abuse Launched in China

Now it is unclear if Chinese want Japanese prime minister to stop visiting a private institute Yasukuni, or they believe that Yasukuni should not be allowed to exist. If the former is the case then their attack had better be directed at the prime minister's site, while attacking the shrine site suggests the latter.
Well they do not care or they are too intelligent to make a distinction. At least they do not know that the DoS attack or hacking is not usually perceived as a civilized form of protest.

This is a good example of how immature the communist China government and its minions are: thisthis
 
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From your 2nd last link:
"China has banned a "blasphemous" Nike advert in which a US basketball star defeats a cartoon kung-fu master, saying it offends national dignity.

The ad shows LeBron James battling the martial arts expert and a pair of dragons, in a video game-style setting.

The media regulator said it breached rules on upholding "national dignity" and failed to respect China's culture."

Funny that this comes from the exact party which initiated the "Cultural Revolution."

But, anyway, we shouldn't take a bunch of hackers attacking some Japanese website too seriously. Just some stupid kids.
 

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bossel said:
From your 2nd last link:
"China has banned a "blasphemous" Nike advert in which a US basketball star defeats a cartoon kung-fu master, saying it offends national dignity.

The ad shows LeBron James battling the martial arts expert and a pair of dragons, in a video game-style setting.

The media regulator said it breached rules on upholding "national dignity" and failed to respect China's culture."

Funny that this comes from the exact party which initiated the "Cultural Revolution."

But, anyway, we shouldn't take a bunch of hackers attacking some Japanese website too seriously. Just some stupid kids.
i am sorry to hear this.

do you get the point to embedd advertising for nike, adidas, kitekat, dating sites, much more products:

make hackers buy these things :) :) :)
 

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NHK News reports
Prime Minister Koizumi Visits Yasukuni Shrine​

Japan's Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi visited Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo on Monday morning.

China and South Korea have opposed Mr Koizumi's visit to the shrine, which is dedicated to those who died for Japan in past wars and Japanese leaders convicted of war crimes after World War Two.

The shrine starts its autumn festival on Monday.

Mr Koizumi declared when he took office in April 2001 that he would visit Yasukuni once a year.

This is Mr Koizumi's fifth visit to the shrine since taking office. His previous visit was on January first, 2004.

Mr Koizumi has repeatedly stressed that his visits are intended to express his determination that Japan must never again wage war.

But China and South Korea have strongly opposed the visits. Mr Koizumi's announcement that he would make another visit this year chilled Japan's relations with the two countries.

This year marks the 60th anniversary of the end of World War Two.
 
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