UK vs H-Anime

[Haruspex]

The Coroners and Justice Bill is going to the Lords soon for a first reading.
What it contains is, a clause dealing with the prohibition of possession of child pornography. This is all straightforward and obvious. I think it is desirable for a country to protect children from being abused. The bill, however, seeks to ban imaginary, drawn and otherwise created non-photographic images of child pornography.

I think, personally, that this is a wrong step. There is no established connection between non-photographic images and a higher rate of crime. No, quite the contrary. If paedophiles cannot acquire drawn child porn (where obviously no one was abused) without legal sanctions, I think many will actually go and gather actual, real child porn, hence supporting the whole thing.

I am of the opinion that even if some MPs are appalled by it, that is not justification enough for passing a purposeless bill, that is ill-equipped to lend substantial support to the fight against child pornography, and is, at the same time encroaching upon the freedom of people for no social gain whatsoever.

Now considering this from the perspective of hentai. I can say that there is a considerably ambiguity in terms of age. What I am saying is that it is hard to tell the age of any one hentai character for certain. Additionally, what is this ludicrous idiocy of measuring the age of animated or drawn characters? I mean, really, there has to be a limit to human idiocy.

This is my opinion, and obviously, since its the opinion of someone it may only be subjective.

What is your take on the matter?

 

[Haruspex]

I am getting the feeling that it is particularly important for people to remain politically correct. Am I right?

 

[Half-n-Half]

I think that if drawn child porn is a way for pedophiles to harmlessly indulge in their fantasies, as opposed to the alternative of actually carrying it out, then so be it. I don't think you can tell someone what they can and cannot fantasize, no matter how far away from mainstream society or taboo it is.

 

[Haruspex]

Ok, put it this way. How much Naruto and Bleach doujinshi is circulating among the fans? How many of the characters are below 18?
The idea is, that say, a doujin artist could become a criminal just by drawing something. Yes, does it sound ridiculous or does it sound ludicrous?

 

[Elizabeth]

Legal status of fictional pornography depicting minors - Wikipedia

The bill will make it illegal to own any picture depicting under-18s participating in sexual activities, or depictions of sexual activity in the presence of someone under 18. The law has been condemned by a coalition of graphic artists, publishers and MPs, fearing it will criminalise graphic novels such as Lost Girls and Watchmen[37].


They need to vote out provisions making it a 3 year jail term to possess images so broadly defined as a fully clothed 17 year old watching two adults having sex, but not involved in the sex, included in the picture ; or a drawing of two characters having sex that the court considers "predominately" having the features of 17 year-olds. Those amendments truly are staggeringly absurd.

Still, however written, it could be a blanket ban on anime in the making which would be an equally disasterous consequence to letting a few pedophiles slip through the cracks.

 

[Half-n-Half]

The problem with this is that banning drawn child pornography does nothing. While it may seem like a sick thing to be in to, it doesn't really harm anyone.

A child pornographer will harm children in two ways: A) by endorsing the child pornography "business" (I don't know if that is the appropriate word) by buying/downloading it, and B) actually going out and finding children to use in a pornography film/photos. Drawing child porn does none of these. They don't have to support child porn or make their own to do it. They are fantasy characters. Banning drawn child pornography does nothing to stop child pornography.

Ok, put it this way. How much Naruto and Bleach doujinshi is circulating among the fans? How many of the characters are below 18?
The idea is, that say, a doujin artist could become a criminal just by drawing something. Yes, does it sound ridiculous or does it sound ludicrous?

I see what you mean by trying to say that anything could be made to seem "sexual" and therefore any anime could be banned. It definitely is ridiculous/ludicrous. Fantasies are fantasies, and as long as they aren't acted out in a way that could harm someone, I do not see the big deal.

Note: I myself am not into drawn child pornography or any child pornography for that matter Just wanted to clear anything up.

 

[Haruspex]

Don't get me wrong, neither am I. What I am into is liberty. And what I detest is when a bunch of dumb *****s assume high ground, and try to make laws that do not catch 'practicing' paedophiles, or limit the harm they do, only limit the freedom of people.

Its the same as the extreme pornography laws. The relevant statute (Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008) has a section that makes illegal 'realistic' extreme pornography, where the participants are consenting adults who are merely acting along. Why do they do this? Because despite the reasonable recommendations of the Williams Committee (Report of the Committee on Obscenity and Film Censorship 1979), they UK still retains the notions of 'obscenity' and 'indecency'. As opposed to prohibiting criminal activities that threaten society or individuals in some way, they still use BS about the archaic 'moral corruption' rubbish. They are a bunch of foolish *****s who are afraid that pornography and general withering and destruction of social values will come and destroy their comfortable shallow suburban lives.

Especially considering that for example Rabinder Singh Q.C. opined that the whole bloody pornography fever of the Parliament is bordering on violation of the European Convention of Human Rights. Article 8 particularly. (Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights - Wikipedia)

 

[Elizabeth]

I agree that child pornography doesn't, or shouldn't, necessarily pertain to drawn media. On the other hand, why would anyone want to look at hentai child pornography that wasn't already drawn in some respect to abusive or perverted fantasizing ?

They sanction ideals of sexualized children to whet the appetites of potential perpetrators. That's it. Hopefully provide a cathartic outlet, but it could just as easily be the gateway to actual images ending in the harm of real children.

 

[Haruspex]

That is a very valid point (researched evidence is lacking both for or against it), but at the same time, if you impose such sanctions for being in possession of drawn child porn, you essentially criminalise the only form of legal 'release' (to borrow Jenny Willott's words) they have.

I think if you do that, it is like telling them that they get the same treatment regardless of whether they download or acquire through other means actual child pornography or drawn child pornography.

If both are illegal, which one will they choose? The majority that is.

 

[Malamis]

I wouldn't say that its lacking so much as it's blatantly contradictory, directly depending on whoever commissioned it.

The "when where and why to draw the line" question's lack of coherent discourse in this country can be best demonstrated by the Heil on Sunday's view on the Brick Testament. If (and to a degree it most certainly is) this representative of the intention and sentiment of the majority, then it ceases to be about the content, and more about zero tolerance action against those who display a certain character. Or indeed pursue a certain hobby.

If thought crime is the ultimate and final goal, then there is yet another reason to pack up and leave.

 

[Proud Asian Kid]

A 18 year old Asian is look like a 9 years old westerner, I don't see any reason for this issue.

 

[Haruspex]

A 18 year old Asian is look like a 9 years old westerner, I don't see any reason for this issue.

Please clarify, because what you said makes no sense in English or any other language.

 

[Proud Asian Kid]

Please clarify, because what you said makes no sense in English or any other language.

What I'm saying is when westerner loo at is a 18 years old Asian they will mostly see them as 9 - 12 years old westerner which make them think that 18 years old Asian still a childrent.
So what westerner or non Asian think as a child pornography or child crimes in Asia may not be the actual truth of what happened because of the reason I mentioned above.

 

[Haruspex]

What I'm saying is when westerner loo at is a 18 years old Asian they will mostly see them as 9 - 12 years old westerner which make them think that 18 years old Asian still a childrent.
So what westerner or non Asian think as a child pornography or child crimes in Asia may not be the actual truth of what happened because of the reason I mentioned above.

Do you mean to imply that when a child gets screwed in comics or cartoons, that is for real? Yeah right.