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Those damn Japanese kids....

Is this sort of behavior tolerable?


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mad pierrot

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In the spirit of controversy, I'd like to bring up another subject; the behavior of little Japanese kids and gaijin. For background, I work at a high school in a suburb of Osaka. I take a train to and from work everyday. My school is about a 15 minute walk from the station. On the way, I pass several elementary schools and one middle school. After school, I usually run into masses of children on their way home. Now, what bothers me is this: Everyday, I am greeted by loud and obnoxious yells of these little kids. Before you go ahead and berate me for not being patient with these youngsters, let me explain. I have no problem smiling, waving, and answering all the little kids who just want to say hello. I always do. BUT, that isn't what annoys me.

Take this for example: I was walking home the other day and ran into a group of children with their parents standing in front of school. One kid looks at me, points, and blurts out something like this:

"Herro! I rike hambaga. Preesed to, apuru! chiiizuubaga!"

and then proceeds to ramble off a bunch of funny sounds made up words, apparently trying to sound like he was speaking English. Other kids got in on it, and it disintegrated into general laughter. The parents, standing there next to their kids, looked on with polite smiles, laughed abit, and didn't do a damn thing.

This kind of thing doesn't happen often, but I still think it's completely unacceptable. Imagine if this happened in America. A bunch of, say, Caucasian people standing in front of a school and an Asian-looking teacher walks out. Imagine if the kids started yelling,

"Nihow! I like fried rice! Lui kang ching-chang-fuhoo!?"

Besides the fact that it's completely insulting, I don't know any parents who would tolerate their children acting like that, at least in public. There are other points to consider, too.

One: These children instantly assume anyone foreign-looking speaks English.
Two: Parents are reinforcing these stereotypes.

Like I said, this kind of thing doesn't happen often. When it does, I can usually just ignore it. Sometimes, of course, I can't. A few days ago I was having a bad day and just couldn't take it in stride, and not only did I not answer the kids but even scowled a little. THIS got some mean looks from the parents, which in turn only made me angrier.

I've talked to some other foreigners in Japan about this. Some suggest I go and explain to the parents that their children's behavior is inappropriate. Others have suggested that it's not their fault, and I should merely remind myself that most Japanese people don't have a good deal of experience with foreigners, and therefore don't know how to act appropriately.

What do you think?
 
Methinks cultural sensitivity isn't the forte of these kinds of kids and parents. Also kind of inadvertently mocks the efforts of Japanese who do try to exert some level of effort to understand another.

I sympathize with you completely. I have very low tolerance for annoying kids. Speaking from an Asian American POV, it's completely unforgivable when a non-Asian brat does that to you. It displays an extreme level of ignorance from not just an individual, but the environment from which he was brought up.

(I'd comment more but- oh!- my back is a-hurtin' from hunching over the computer screen!)
 
I chose: "Yes, it's tolerable, even though it's not right."

I'm for freedom of speech, no matter what in most cases. But I do think these kids are being real rude to you. It's not nice to mock others. What's worse is that they have a huge misconception about foreigners. If it really bothers you I suggest you talk to there parents about and tell their parents not only are the gestures rude but to teach their children a thing or two about geography. That should help.
 
It happens in the UK too. :eek:
Sometimes, kids just don't know how to behave, and their parents no better. :angryfire:
 
Kids will be kids. my suggestion is that you just let them have their fun, in a few years they will see their errors and won't be doing it no more. So you just have to ride of the storm. It is very common that Childrens now a days hasn't got very fancy manners, no matter race or culture.
 
Just harass the kids with your big smile.
Japan is the country without any sex offender GPS tracking or Megan's law even after the horrible crimes. It is nice that the kids are still brave enough to show their smile to you with their eigo, isn't it?
 
Hmm, I might be of the mind to yell at them in Japanese, and see where it goes. Yeah rude, but then again, a few of the adults annoy me to, but that doesn't mean I spend the time trying toツ change all of them.

Avg. Japanese adult: Big !(or the Japanese equiv.)

Me: Chisaii! (continuing on my way)

But if you're running into these same kids every week, hmm.
 
Don't even get me started. I had to deal with a Japanese kid this past summer and it nearly drove me insane. His mother and father tolerate everything that I don't. I wouldn't dream of letting my children do half the stuff that boy did.

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I think that type of behavior should not be tolerated by the parents. I really don't think there's much of an excuse for it. But of course, I'm sure all those smiling J-moms think it's so kawaii for their kids to act like that... :eek:
 
I can understand what you mean Mad p, but it's not only Japanese kids, it's kids in general, even here in Belgium those little turds can be so damn rude :eek: It's all their parents fault! That's what I tell ya !
 
Yeah, you shouldnt HAVE to put up with it, but it does happen everywhere...
All of my 'asian' friends in NZ had to put up with crap from little kids, not so little kids and their parents...
One extreme example of parents giving their children bad ideas is: My friends husband (korean) was walking down the street, and a 4 year old kid pushed him and said "F*&K off back to China", my friends husband was horrified, and looked to the mother and said "excuse me did you hear what your child just said to me?" the mother scowled and replied "Yeah, you heard right, F*&K off back to where you came from".
I really hate racism, and people treating others like they are idiots... little more extreme than your case, but along the same grounds.
Parents should refrain their children from doing these sorts of things... harmless or not, if not for the annoying factor, the fact that strangers can be potentially dangerous.

One thing that bothers me here... not that it happens to me directly but to my friend when we are shopping. Mothers actually pushing their kids towards her to say something to her in english because she's got blonde hair. Stupid thing is that my friend can hear everything the mother is saying... and generally the kids are whining 'nooo, I dont wanna talk to her!!' then they come up all grumpy and slumpy and grumble some stupid english phrase.

oops Im getting carried away. But why should you have to be all 'nice and friendly gaijin' if you're having a bad day?
 
I'de just scare the little f***ers :devilish: and tell them a stupid story like, imitating English without knowing it makes hungry crows fly into your room at night and peck out your eyes. :p
 
I would say it's marginally tolerable because these are kids. If they are adults, then it wouldn't be tolerable.

And the situation wasn't as extreme as this one:
Kara_Nari said:
... parents giving their children bad ideas is: My friends husband (korean) was walking down the street, and a 4 year old kid pushed him and said "F*&K off back to China", my friends husband was horrified, and looked to the mother and said "excuse me did you hear what your child just said to me?" the mother scowled and replied "Yeah, you heard right, F*&K off back to where you came from".

You can't really tell for sure what the intentions of the kids were - could be anywhere from insulting to just plain playful. Those kids aren't saying things like "Go baku tsu Amerika...", which would make the meaning clearly racist and hateful.

Still, in any case regarding the "chiiizuubaga!" comment, such attitudes are unacceptable nonetheless even if they are tolerable.
 
mad pierrot said:
One kid looks at me, points, and blurts out something like this:
"Herro! I rike hambaga. Preesed to, apuru! chiiizuubaga!"
and then proceeds to ramble off a bunch of funny sounds made up words, apparently trying to sound like he was speaking English.
You should say to the mother, in Japanese, "It's nice to see your son is practicing for his lifelong career, serving in McDonalds." and then smile sweetly and walk away.
 
That must be annoying, but I can understand it to some extent (but the parents would annoy me the most).

gaijinalways said:
Avg. Japanese adult: Big !(or the Japanese equiv.)
Me: Chisaii! (continuing on my way)
FYI "small" is Chiisai
 
lastmagi said:
Methinks cultural sensitivity isn't the forte of these kinds of kids and parents.
There is the root of the problem. I have gotten so accustomed to the finger pointing, snickering, strange off the wall requests to say "something" in English. Also any other number of mostly innocent but on occasion VERY annoying kids and surprisingly adults that do the same things as well. On some occasions it is tolerable and easy to overlook but in others I want to rip out their tongues and shove them down their throats. :)kaioken:.

When I am with my family I have been disturbed on any number of occasions in the most unlikely places with the most annoying requests for "information". There are times my kids dont want to walk with me because people get overly annoying and intrusive.

That rant over........Part of it stems from lack of contact with foreigners, depending on where you travel/live in Japan there is a marked difference in how children as well as adults treat foreigners. Even within the same prefecture, there are huge differences. So the more contact the little "darlings" :eek: have with people like us, hopefully within the next 100 years or so comments like this will cease to be heard.......(Yeah right!)

You should say to the mother, in Japanese, "It's nice to see your son is practicing for his lifelong career, serving in McDonalds." and then smile sweetly and walk away.

👍 Only will work if the "mother" gets the sarcasm. I have found very few Japanese to understand sarcasm without it having to be explained to them. Although I like the line and will have to remember to use it sometime.
 
Letting those kids behave like that just fuels their miseducation and should not be tolerated.

Those parents who give you dirty looks when you talk to their brats are just embarassed, so I would not care about them.
 
Its mostly the parents fault anyway. Gaijin really arnt that well tolerated past the innitial "wow! look at that!" in japan from what Ive heard.

A very good friend of mine married a woman from Japan a while back. Let me say this woman is SMART and funny and just down right beautifull he really made a catch. BUt when they go back to Japan she has a hard time with it. She was telling me that they get into taxis and the drivers see her with a gaijin and treat her like a prostitute. Her husband cant ride the trains at night without some drunken business man comming up to him and saying "Yanky go home!" Wheres this comming from? A man who is just riding on a subway. A woman and her husband taking a cab to the park.

If those little snots came up and said something like that to me and look their parents in the eye and tell them that thy should be ashamed of themselves for raising a kid with such poor maners and then finish off with a "and your kid's english sucks too".
 
It's very likely that those kids' parents don't know English enough to realize the English their kids are speaking is not appropriate. The reason they smile might be that they are feeling so proud that their kids can communicate with a gaijin using English...
 
i chose "No, it's not tolerable, but understandable."
Mycernius said:
You should say to the mother, in Japanese, "It's nice to see your son is practicing for his lifelong career, serving in McDonalds." and then smile sweetly and walk away.
and i agree with Mycernius..👍
well, maybe u'll meet similiar 'case' if u visit my country...😌
 
Hide My Heart said:
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A very good friend of mine married a woman from Japan a while back. Let me say this woman is SMART and funny and just down right beautifull he really made a catch. BUt when they go back to Japan she has a hard time with it. She was telling me that they get into taxis and the drivers see her with a gaijin and treat her like a prostitute. Her husband cant ride the trains at night without some drunken business man comming up to him and saying "Yanky go home!" Wheres this comming from? A man who is just riding on a subway. A woman and her husband taking a cab to the park.
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Just curious to know how old she is, where the trains were, and if she really exists?

misa.j said:
Letting those kids behave like that just fuels their miseducation and should not be tolerated.
Those parents who give you dirty looks when you talk to their brats are just embarassed, so I would not care about them.

Describe more what you mean by "miseducation".
 
I guess "miseducation" in that context would mean misconceptions/stereotypes about gaijin/foreigners/people of Western appearance. :p

Incidentally, why do you imply Hide My Heart's story was invented? ☝ It doesn't sound so very improbable.
 
Kinsao said:
Incidentally, why do you imply Hide My Heart's story was invented? ☝ It doesn't sound so very improbable.

It sounded more than slightly implausible to me. Exaggerated at the very least.

Anecdotal stuff is of limited value even when related firsthand, and of very limited (and suspect) value when passed along as hearsay.
 
Kinsao said:
I guess "miseducation" in that context would mean misconceptions/stereotypes about gaijin/foreigners/people of Western appearance. :p
Incidentally, why do you imply Hide My Heart's story was invented? ☝ It doesn't sound so very improbable.

I trusted what he/she said above, though I'm not a ball game fan, if the drunken guys'd shouted "Yankees go home to join WBC" on the trains.
 
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