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The Swastika in Jrock

I think that it's used as a visual, like how Goths use the crucifix as a visual but dont necessarily believe in God.

And anyway the swastika isnt an evil / offensive symbol.
 
I think they do use it as a symbol (like Gaki said) but very few will know know it is associated with the Nazi Party and World War Two. They aren't neo-nazis, just really ignorant to all the emotions that come attached to that symbol.

There are used military surplus stores where you can by all sorts of nazi stuff. Jackets, hats, patches, flags, and pictures even right in the middle of Shinsaibashi (trendy area of Osaka). Anything. I think they think it just looks cool (and because of the associations with temples it probably takes much of the sting out of it). My point by way of a story (not related to jrock but rather how well people know what this stuff means);

In Japanese schools every year there is a Cultural Festival. Different clubs put on shows or take over a room and set up displays or projects they have been working on. There are song competitions, fashion shows, food stalls, all manner of fun stuff.

At a high school where a freind of mine works they had one room that was a "flags of the world" room. The first thing you saw, on the door to the room no less, was the big red, white and black Nazi flag. This wasn't some kind of statement about that evil regime and why war is wrong. There wasn't some statement next to it explaining what it was (like for other flags). It was just there. Neither was it some kind of facist movement. They just had no idea what it stood for and the emotions it can produce in a audience (western mainly). Most of the kids who saw it probably thought "cool," if anything. Thank god the German exchange student didn't see it.

The same type of use probably goes for many of the bands and audiences in jrock. Unless all of the bands using the mark are hard-core Buddhists (and do the Buddhist version of Christian Rock) I would say that the use of the swastika (in its nazi form) is just due to ignorance.
 
Not the manji symbol, I'm referring to the NAZI swastika, as perverted by Adolf Hitler, promoted by some bands like Narciss.

Its the distinct red, white, and black perversion, not the manji symbol, or the ancient german symbol either, I'm talking about the Nazi socialist symbol.
 
By the way, the crucifix isnt just a symbol of God or the saviour, its also a symbol of torture, and devastation.
 
personally, i don't really care that much if some bands use swastikas, but here in germany you have to be quite careful with that subject.
 
Well the swastikas hitler used had many meanings originally like some Naitive Amricans used that symbol for good luck and then hitler came aloong and used it for hir campain of eliteness
 
Destiny: It can depending on the user.

I have a manji symbol tattooed on the back of my neck, so I personally have seperated the perverted nazi symbol from the manji symbol.

As for the rest of the world; ignorance makes shackles of us all...
 
I think, the Confederate flag in the US is not necessarily used in the same way as the Nazi symbol is used in Europe.

The flag can also stand for a certain antipathy towards the central gouvernment of the US, a sign for independence of the South. For what I know, a lot of people do not see it as a symbol for slavery or racism.
 
Only idiots would see it as a symbol of slavery or racism. Oversensitive idiots, I might add.

Swastika: Overused wannabe shocking cliche. I don't think it's used much any more, though. =)
 
The Swastika was a symbol for healing, christ dont any of you wach the history channel once in a while?
 
Ghost: Oh my, so Die wore it on his biscep to promote healing of the world. This I was not aware of.
 
Winter: Was that sarcasm? it really was a symbol for healing till hitler went and twisted it.
 
I know Ghost, I was using your assumption of my own personal ignorance as an excuse to display my obscure sense of humour.

In other words; just playing with you.
 
The symbol that the nazi swatstika is taken from is known as a manji, and there is two mirrored versions of it. Often they are seen on temples and shrines in japan and china it is like a basic ying-yang, the cross showing opposite and equal parts, the arms on the end showing movement in a circle, flowing. I think the one the nazis use is power and stregth, the other is love and compassion.

In the west it was known as the 4 L's (love luck and 2 others) until the 1940's when the nazi party used it as a symbol. In asia (japan especially) the 'effect' that the swatstika had overseas wasnt felt, japan had very little to do with the nazi party in ww2 (they were at war with china years before the european conflicts). Its still seen as a buddist symbol with no connection to the nazi's.
 
Originally posted by Ewok85
The symbol that the nazi swatstika is taken from is known as a manji, and there is two mirrored versions of it. Often they are seen on temples and shrines in japan and china it is like a basic ying-yang, the cross showing opposite and equal parts, the arms on the end showing movement in a circle, flowing. I think the one the nazis use is power and stregth, the other is love and compassion.

In the west it was known as the 4 L's (love luck and 2 others) until the 1940's when the nazi party used it as a symbol. In asia (japan especially) the 'effect' that the swatstika had overseas wasnt felt, japan had very little to do with the nazi party in ww2 (they were at war with china years before the european conflicts). Its still seen as a buddist symbol with no connection to the nazi's.

Classic example of a person reading the title and posting before reading the contents of the thread.
 
To put it succintly, you can blame the influence of Adolf Hitler for [permanently] degrading the real value of the swastika for what it really stands for, IMHO.

(250 posts...100 from the blue...gotta get some sleep now...)
 
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the swastika in J rock? i though for a moment u were refering to a new j pop band... well anywat, it represants the aryan race which aldof hitler used the rep. nazism and if reversed it rep. buddist which originates frm ancient india( in which the aryans begins)
 
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