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In studying the history of WW2, and world history in general... One thing that strikes me as ironic, is that the Japanese have always had such strong feelings about being honorable, and being an honorable people in an honorable country.

After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor. I think Japan has zero honor. I think the Japanese have no honor. None. Zero. I think the way Japan behaved in WW2 was atrocious, and that the Japanese were almost as bad as the Nazis.

I actually went through the trouble of finding this forum, making an account, just to tell you that honestly, from the bottom of my heart... I think the Japanese are some of the least honorable people of the 20th century.
 

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There are many books and theories explaining their behavior I have read over the years . In almost any war in history you read about in detail , you will find people that do horrific things. I always feel bad for the civilians that suffer so much , not just the military members. When you look at the number of deaths the Japanese suffered by the end of the war , it seems they paid their dues in blood. When you look at some of the things done by Americans in the Korean War and Vietnam and the Mid East on purpose as well as by accident , even our hands are not squeaky clean. Look at ISIS , it seems doing horrific deeds to spread terror and gain publicity still takes place.
By the way , here on JREF , your audience is made up mostly of non-Japanese who post here because they have mostly a positive view of Japan. If I recall , there are some old posts here about the war and the use of the atomic bombs you might like to read.
I find it kind of funny your user name is Mr-Truth and yet you gave a false location. Your home state has a very large Japanese population , did one of them piss you off enough you had to come post here ?
 
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Virtually every single culture has committed atrocities somewhere in their past. It is one of the defining aspects of humanity. Many cultures continue to commit atrocities. Western cultures, Eastern cultures, and all points between and around.

Also, understand that your definition of the word honor may be different than the Japanese.
 

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I'm from the USA and having studied a good deal of world history, they're no better or worse than any other culture in terms of war crimes. You can't throw an entire population under the bus just because of what their military and government did.
 

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After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor. I think Japan has zero honor. I think the Japanese have no honor. None. Zero.
The banality of evil is no excuse for it, but anecdotes are no basis for racist platitudes. Your conclusions are wrong but I doubt that bothers you much.

I think the way Japan behaved in WW2 was atrocious, and that the Japanese were almost as bad as the Nazis.
almost as bad as the nazis... and how much honor did they have, while we're comparing notes and all
 

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After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor.
Interesting that you'd use information from an event decades in the past (and none else) to justify saying something about present day Japanese. Just saying...

After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor. I think Japan has zero honor...I actually went through the trouble of finding this forum, making an account, just to tell you that honestly
Interesting. You sought out a forum used mostly by non-Japanese to tell the Japanese something. Kind of shows your lack of ability, doesn't it?

By the way, are you American? America is not No. 1, you know, despite what Americans say. Not at all. Zero. Nada. Zilch. So, there!

Have a pleasant day.
 

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Do some study about the atrocities he USA have perpetrated on the world (either historic or current). You might also find that meddling by the USA was one of the key triggers for the Pacific war, and the leaders knew it. The official accounts and records are when, not if.

As for honor, I think you are mixing individuals and a way of thinking with something else.
 

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Correct me if I am wrong but...
In studying the history of WW2, and world history in general... One thing that strikes me as ironic, is that the Japanese have always had such strong feelings about being honorable, and being an honorable people in an honorable country.

After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor. I think Japan has zero honor. I think the Japanese have no honor. None. Zero. I think the way Japan behaved in WW2 was atrocious, and that the Japanese were almost as bad as the Nazis.

I actually went through the trouble of finding this forum, making an account, just to tell you that honestly, from the bottom of my heart... I think the Japanese are some of the least honorable people of the 20th century.

How many REAL Americans did your illegal immigrants of ancestors killed and continue to abuse? Just saying... But whatever you believe, you are not American your ancestors stole the land you are now calling home.

Did Japanese committed war crime? Yes, like your ancestors did and continue to do worldwide, like Germans, British, Russian, Chinese, French, Indians (from India) and the rest of every nation that ever excited.
 

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It occurs to me that this thread is very unlikely to go anywhere good from here. It's devolving into recriminations and accusations, of which there are plenty to go around.

Though it may be a reasonable discussion for people to have (though I frankly don't see it as something that can produce anything positive), I don't see how it's pertinent to this forum, and especially this subforum.
 

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Kashmir (And accidentaly one of the best Led zep song)

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/INDIA935.PDF

Granted the magnitude may not be as big as some other countries but war crimes are war crimes :(
There are no war crimes by India in Kashmir.
EDIT: kashmir is a disputed area. Pakistan and china want that land. No war is going on at the moment.

And I read the pdf (which was news to me, I hope the offenders get punished), even though the stuff mentioned in the pdf is horrifying, they dont count as "war crimes".
It probably seems foolish to nitpick over such a small thing, but India has gone through a lot of stuff and the media keeps saying **** about it and there are lots of misconceptions about India, so I just wanted to clear this point.

I'm not defending the acts done by those people in anyway.
It occurs to me that this thread is very unlikely to go anywhere good from here. It's devolving into recriminations and accusations, of which there are plenty to go around.

Though it may be a reasonable discussion for people to have (though I frankly don't see it as something that can produce anything positive), I don't see how it's pertinent to this forum, and especially this subforum.
I agree. Please lock this thread.
 
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And now that I have re-read my post , I feel stupid and embarrassed about posting such stuff. Excuse my rudeness. I was a bit irritated ( about the previous post ) .
 

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In studying the history of WW2, and world history in general... One thing that strikes me as ironic, is that the Japanese have always had such strong feelings about being honorable, and being an honorable people in an honorable country.

After studying a lot of history about your culture... I just want to say...
I don't think the Japanese have any honor. I think Japan has zero honor. I think the Japanese have no honor. None. Zero. I think the way Japan behaved in WW2 was atrocious, and that the Japanese were almost as bad as the Nazis.

I actually went through the trouble of finding this forum, making an account, just to tell you that honestly, from the bottom of my heart... I think the Japanese are some of the least honorable people of the 20th century.


I was just extorted and blackmailed by a Japanese seller on Amazon Japan. I bought a product and he emailed me asking twice the amount (offline) to send my product.
I reached Amazon Japan and they said the seller has good reputation. (So must be me lying?).

I thought in Mexico we were messy already, but Japanese think too much of themselves, they are worse than us.
Interesting that you'd use information from an event decades in the past (and none else) to justify saying something about present day Japanese. Just saying...

Interesting. You sought out a forum used mostly by non-Japanese to tell the Japanese something. Kind of shows your lack of ability, doesn't it?

By the way, are you American? America is not No. 1, you know, despite what Americans say. Not at all. Zero. Nada. Zilch. So, there!

Have a pleasant day.
He is right. Japan lacks as much as honor as any other country, I was just extorted by Amazon Japan and their sellers in complicity.

But one clarification for you: America it's a continent.
Remember citizens of the USA think the world it's only their country... But don't listen to them. America it's way different than those who call themselves americans on occupied mexican land.
 

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One seller on Amazon is not representative of the country. And you don’t even know if that seller was actually Japanese or not.
 

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One seller on Amazon is not representative of the country. And you don’t even know if that seller was actually Japanese or not.
Absolutely, I was thinking, what if it's a Chinese or American writing Japanese too?

But I'm very disappointed as Amazon also says it's OK for them to list a product at half the price, and once purchased, ask for more money or they'd cancel your order.

Like I said, I saw trickery before in platforms like eBay or MercadoLibre but this time it hit hard as I had tremendous admiration for the country. It's like getting to know Santa is not real.
 

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One seller on Amazon is not representative of the country. And you don’t even know if that seller was actually Japanese or not.
I also do not really think Mexico is better than Japan in a lot of things, I was just angry.
 

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I was just angry.
I understand. I'm sure I would be too. That seller rating is very poor. Last 30 days negative 20% but previously it was negative 3%. Maybe you could try pointing that out to Amazon.
 

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@eliezer sorry to hear about your troubles. I just had to contest a charge on my own credit card because I ordered a 2TB SSD drive at a screaming deal (60-70% off retail) that never shipped, and now the seller site is defunct. The seller was from China, but I know that these scammers aren't representative of anyone but themselves. I got suckered because I saw a deal that was too good to be true and dared to hope that it was legit. I didn't google search for "Chinese have no honor" so I could take out my frustration on an entire group of people. Honestly I'm a little surprised that's how people still seem to think.
 

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@eliezer sorry to hear about your troubles. I just had to contest a charge on my own credit card because I ordered a 2TB SSD drive at a screaming deal (60-70% off retail) that never shipped, and now the seller site is defunct. The seller was from China, but I know that these scammers aren't representative of anyone but themselves. I got suckered because I saw a deal that was too good to be true and dared to hope that it was legit. I didn't google search for "Chinese have no honor" so I could take out my frustration on an entire group of people. Honestly I'm a little surprised that's how people still seem to think.
My search term was actually "do all Japanese believe in honor".
My deal was fair, I was extorted, not confused.
 

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My search term was actually "do all Japanese believe in honor".
My deal was fair, I was extorted, not confused.
You don’t need Google for that. Japanese people are human too. They have criminals, prisons, etc like everywhere else. 🙂
 

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You don’t need Google for that. Japanese people are human too. They have criminals, prisons, etc like everywhere else. 🙂
Indeed. And nowadays it's a worldwide thing.. loosing morality and ethics.
But there's still a lot of fair people around. :)
 

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I fully agree. I am Australian and when I was about 20 I knew 2 guys who were prisoners of war of the Japanese in changi. Also, I have spent some time in mainland China where I met older people who were victims of the Japanese also. They should never be forgiven and they were far worse than the nazis as evidenced by the number of deaths in Japanese concentration camps. This is a proven fact. In Australia, if you commit a crime at 10 years old you are never forgiven and it stays on your record forever. So why forgive the Japanese. Also, they still have the gall to worship their war criminals in shrines in Japan..this is an affront to South Korea..China..Australia. Britain and a great many other countries people.As far as honour let's measure the honour of their snivelling little coward emperor hirohito. Know to be in the war room and at the end allowed hundreds of thousands of japanese people to die to save his own miserable carcass.. so its a fact honour they do not have.
 
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