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Question The government announced the meeting to be a great success.

hirashin

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Hi, native English speakers.
Could you help me?

Do you ever use this type of sentence?
"The government announced the meeting to be a great success. "

An American says this sounds perfectly natural while an Australian says
it sounds a little odd.

What do you think?

Hirashin
 

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It's a little odd.

If you change 'announced' to 'declared' or 'proclaimed', then it is fine.

There are probably a few other words that would work there, too.
 

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Thanks for the help, joadbres and mdchachi. Mmm...interesting. You are divided in your opinions.

How about this one? It's from a dictionary published in Japan.
This dust announces the article to have been long exposed in the shop.
 
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Another word that can be used in this context is 'pronounced' - usually used like this: to pronounce something a great success. This sounds similar to 'announced', which is probably why 'announced' sounds OK to some people.
 

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I would say:

The government announced/proclaimed that the meeting was a great success.
(The government announced/proclaimed that the meeting would be a great success.)

The government declared/proclaimed the meeting to be a great success.
The government declared/proclaimed that the meeting would be a great success.

This dust showed/revealed that the article had been on display in the shop for a long time.
The faded colors showed that the article in the shop had been exposed to the sun for a long time.
 

hirashin

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Thanks for the help, mdchachi. English-Japanese dictionaries that are edited by Japanese people sometimes have sentences that native speakers would not use today.
 

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This dust announces the article to have been long exposed in the shop.


Sensei!

The English in your example sentence is terrible.

I thought you might like to here your example sentence rendered into ‘good’ English:

“The dust on the items in the shop show they have been sitting there for a long time.”
 

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Hello, Simon V. Are you a native English speaker? Do you mean "show" should be "shows"?
 

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Hello, Simon V. Are you a native English speaker? Do you mean "show" should be "shows"?
Yes and yes. It's very hard for Japanese adults to develop thought habits that NES acquire as children. As a NJS, you probably have the same situation regarding whether to use は or が: You don't have to think about which to use, but you can't explain how you choose. It just comes naturally.
 
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