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Shinkansen in Vietnam

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Vietnam To Adopt Japan Bullet Train Tech For High-Speed Rail
The Vietnamese government has officially decided to adopt Japanese shinkansen bullet train technology for a high-speed railway connecting Hanoi in the north and Ho Chi Minh City in the south. Vietnam's high-speed railway will run through watery and mountainous terrain, of the sort seen here at Hai Van Pass on the outskirts of Da Nang. This will be one of the biggest transportation infrastructure projects in Southeast Asia, making Vietnam the second country after Taiwan to welcome Japanese bullet train technology. http://www.nni.nikkei.co.jp/e/ac/tnks/Nni20091211DA1JZ111.htm

Global financial crisis cooled down private sector's mind on expenditure throughout the world. Thus, almost all countries in the world put more emphasis on public sectors' spending. Investment on transportation infrastructure is the best choice as it's good to stimulate economy. Shinkansen project in Vietnam is very good for Vietanamese economy as well as Japanese economy.

In the meanwhile, Japan's Shinkansen system is now seen in Taiwan, China, and now Vietnam.... Plus negotiation is ongoing with Brazil, USA and India.

It is the best timing for the world (except debt-laden Japan) to spend more money on infrastructure, isn't it?
 

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Japan Consortium Pushing Shinkansen Tech for Brazil
http://www.japancorp.net/Article.asp?Art_ID=18692

When the national economy goes to recession, governmet spending is only hope to maintain national economy. Government spending/expenditure usually means "Public Work Projects", and investment on infrustracture, typically railway system, must be the most common.

In short, global finacial turmoil ---> global recession ---> worldwide government expenditure ---> more investment on infrastructure ---> more chance for Shinkansen.

It is good time for Japan, I think.
 

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I am jealous !
I wish we have Japanese Shinkansen system in Saudi Arabia and UAE Qatar Kuwait Oman Bahrain...
Damn our bad governments.
 

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First UK High Speed Train Service Launched
http://electrictrains.suite101.com/article.cfm/first_uk_high_speed_train_service_launched

This is not Shinkansen, but bullet train from Japan.
Thank you very much, UK government !
 

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Governor Schwarzenegger of California State.
http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/
If you are wondering, take Shinkansen !
If State of California has a problem of financing, Japan will provide very good loan for your State.

High-speed railway project will be good to stimulate Californian economy. Plus good for environment.
 

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How do you figure that the government sucking money out of the private sector is a good method of stirring the private sector to greater activity?
 

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Aren't high-speed rail services even in Japan run by state corporations ? Similar to privatized but heavily regulated utilities in this country that are not publicly owned but don't operate in a fully competitive environment. Operators can bid for specific lines and consumers still won't have much of a choice on specific routes. If they are fully privatized, what if the companies go out of business, or not otherwise accountable, profits go towards the well-being of wealthy executives or investors, poor upkeep leads to horrendous accidents, etc. ?

Having a for-profit corporation own formerly public infrastructure make no sense. Say for instance the government builds a high-speed rail line between San Francisco and Los Angeles and then sells or leases the tracks to a private company. What competing company will build its own tracks over the same route ?? There's absolutely no market, capital or other incentive to make it happen.

It isn't we lack cumulative experience. There has recently been a huge drive to privatize highways in this country with precious little evidence that privately-run transportation systems actually provide better service.
 

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i have not used train,only plain several times ago...
i think trains are more scary than plain since it's on the ground.
 

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Aren't high-speed rail services even in Japan run by state corporations ?

No, and they haven't been for quite a number of years. The old JNR (Japan National Railways) has been JR (Japan Railways) for a long time.


To tired to give the remaining socialist claptrap the attention it deserves......
 

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No, and they haven't been for quite a number of years. The old JNR (Japan National Railways) has been JR (Japan Railways) for a long time.
OK, but are the JRs fully privatized or still in a unique ownership position controlled by special laws ?
They also didn't have to make the initial investment of building the tracks and probably bought them out for much less than JNR was in debt when privatization occurred. Each of the Japanese companies also act as railway monopolies in their individual zones, meaning there is no competing service on any of the lines.

In the U.S., the vast majority of railway track is privately owned. So also privatizing high speed operations by offering companies the right to provide service by bidding for specific lines is fine as long as there is govt regulation or direct competition for routes, but operating them in a truly competitive environment in the sense of consumers being able to choose between at least two carriers over city to city itineraries across an entire country I don't believe is in effect anywhere in the world.
 
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Natural Monopoly

In utitlies and train systems, the economies of scale require that only one firm operates. They're considered natural monopolies. Therefore, they need to be and are regulated. (I would love to be in charge of the daily float for JR East's Yamanote Line.)
 

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In utitlies and train systems, the economies of scale require that only one firm operates. They're considered natural monopolies. Therefore, they need to be and are regulated. (I would love to be in charge of the daily float for JR East's Yamanote Line.)

I think .... there are many private railway companies in greater Tokyo metropolitan area as well as other urban areas of Japan. Economy of scale is important, but number of passenger is more important, I think.
 

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I think .... there are many private railway companies in greater Tokyo metropolitan area as well as other urban areas of Japan. Economy of scale is important, but number of passenger is more important, I think.

It's just that the scale in Tokyo is huuunge. Follow this link to the definition of natural monopoly
 
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It's just that the scale in Tokyo is huuunge. If only JR were available, I would be crushed to death going to work. So other companies can operate here as well. 😌 But they are all regulated.
In central Tokyo, there are connections that parallel between JR and private because most of the private lines radiate out to the suburbs from the Yamanote loop line. Likewise, some smaller destinations downtown are only accessible via the 2 subways. In the case of long distance travel - high speed, highway bus or fly.

Traveling to Narita by either Keisei Liner or JR Express, whoo hoo! is one of the only direct competitions between JR and private from city to city....:p
 
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I think .... there are many private railway companies in greater Tokyo metropolitan area as well as other urban areas of Japan. Economy of scale is important, but number of passenger is more important, I think.
Yeah, the privates are mostly urban-based commuter lines, but you can also use some of them to get way out into the countryside. Not like the 1970's before depopulation forced closing thousands of kms of lines serving rural areas. But still enough, with buses and more expensive JR for the for the ‘transportation poor’ to somehow get by.
 

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Wow,that's cool aerodynamic looking Japanese bullet train !

Built by Hitachi, it doesn't have the long flat nose of the new JR shinkansen, which designed to cut down turbulence when going through tunnels.
 

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If you look at the picture closely, you will see that the train is at Ashford station, only question is, Is it stuck there? Knowing the problems we have with the rail network in the UK, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a fault with the signalling somewhere, or worst luck, it was heading towards the Channel Tunnel but has had to stop due to congestion.

But on the plus side, the fact that the UK is importing Japanese designed trains to run on our high speed lines, must be a good thing for Japan economically, as this export could show up in several European countries, and that would be good for the Japanese balance of payments.

Personally speaking, I cant wait to see trains like these running on routes north of London, as that will make journey times to the Capital a lot quicker! :)
 

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I'm a big fan of the Shinkansen. Some of the ヒ彗谐ツ坂?? we have in China are based on Shinkansen technologies.
 
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