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There is no need to use じゃ anywhere.
たべる
たべました = ate
たべませんでした = didn't eat
I still don't understand what じゃ has to do with anything.
. How do you conjugate the the past affirmative and negative tenses for irregular verbs??????
please DO NOT USE DESU in your answer.
I'm asking how you conjugate irrugular verbs THAT ARE NOT desu or where desu is only part of the word. how much clearer can i make it? the thing is i have only the following example to go by for irregular verbs:
And that's IT! that's the only mention of irregular verbs what-so-ever. So what happens to the irregular verbs kuru and benkyoosuru when you want to make them present negative and past tense affirmative and negative?
Affirmative Negative
present tense desu Jyaarimasen
past tense deshita Jyaarimasendeshita
hmmm but... wait so in Japanese, nouns and adjectives have tenses too?
wow, no wonder I'm confused by this. In English verbs are the only words where tenses matter.
U verbs are going to have the final vowel changed from u to a, like "yomu" changes into "yoma"+"nai".
Verbs that end with only う change to わ. かう→かわない
That's not true. English has tense with adjectives and nouns.
She is pretty.
She was pretty.
She is a student.
She was a student.
"is" roughly corresponds to "desu" and "was/were" to "deshita" (plain form conjugations are different).
oh oh oh! ok, nevermind. I think I understand now. You're saying is that Jya or not Jya depend on the nouns/adjectives used but the key point I've been missing, until now, is that desu is the only verb that will ever be conjugated to to anything that does use Jya since desu is essentially the same 'is' which is essentially the as '=' and it only appears in sentances where equivalencies are made: X は Y です item1=item. And equivalency statements only ever use です or います/あります. Am i getting the idea close yet?
That's not true. English has tense with adjectives and nouns.
She is pretty.
She was pretty.
She is a student.
She was a student.
"is" roughly corresponds to "desu" and "was/were" to "deshita" (plain form conjugations are different).
That's an interesting observation. By the way, "愛する" or one Chinese character plus "suru" verbs like "接する", "要する", etc are irregulars too (they behave like half su-ending verb half suru verb).By the way, I just thought I'd point out that Japanese only has two fully irregular and one semi-irregular verb. くる and する are the fully irregular ones, and いく/ゆく is the semi-irregular one (I know it's a bit of a strange classification, but it makes sense when you learn the forms).
By the way, I just thought I'd point out that Japanese only has two fully irregular and one semi-irregular verb. くる and する are the fully irregular ones, and いく/ゆく is the semi-irregular one (I know it's a bit of a strange classification, but it makes sense when you learn the forms).
the noun 'she' remains the same regarldless of tense and regarldess of what adjective is used. the adjectective 'pretty' remains the same regardless of tense and regardless of the noun, regardless of the verb, regardless of anything else anywhere in the sentance. it is the verb only which changes according to tense and it never has any relation to any adjectives or nouns. 'is' always changes to 'was' for past tense, doesn't matter what the adjectives or nouns it's used with are. all that matters, all that changes, when the tense changes is the verb.
From what
That's an interesting observation. By the way, "愛する" or one Chinese character plus "suru" verbs like "接する", "要する", etc are irregulars too (they behave like half su-ending verb half suru verb).
Ok well that's good news, lol. Still though, how would I say something like:
I did not study in the library yesterday
considering that to study is a compound word formed from the the noun 'studies' しゅかだい and the verb irregular verb 'to do' する which conjugates to ですin present form or します in masu form which conjugates to negative form じゃありません and past tense negative form じゃありませんでした. where do i stick the べんきょう part in the negatives past and present tense for a word like べんきょうします?
and is there a similar oddity for くる? itis there a じゃあいきません じゃあいきませんでした?
or is it simply いきません いきませんでした?
Strange. Usually textbooks have conjugation patterns for the irregular verbs suru and kuru.ya those! how do i handle those when negative past and present tense is needed. the text only ever mentions する alone so for all the forms of irr verb examples, i don't know how to put the sentance together for combo suru words. the whole jya arimasu thing totally throws me off
This type of stuff has to be in any type of textbook.using たべます as an example. what would the past tense affirmative and negative be?
would they be
past tense affirmative: じゃたべました or たべじゃありました
past tense negative: じゃたべませんでした or たべじゃありませんでした
That's an interesting observation. By the way, "愛する" or one Chinese character plus "suru" verbs like "接する", "要する", etc are irregulars too (they behave like half su-ending verb half suru verb).
It is not for verbs, it is for na-adjectives and nouns.
shizuka + ja + nai+desu
gakusei + ja + nai+desu
By the way, no verbs end with desu. Verbs end with masu in the polite form. Desu comes with adjectives (both i and na adjectives) and nouns.
suru ==> shi+nai
kuru ==> ko+nai
Ru verbs are going to have verb stem + nai.
U verbs are going to have the final vowel changed from u to a, like "yomu" changes into "yoma"+"nai".
By the way, Skj91 san, what kind of textbook are you using? This is basic stuff. If you do not have a chart of conjugation for plain present negative and plain past negative, you should really consider buying a decent textbook that includes conjugation tables.
Types of questions you keep asking in this thread really make me wonder that you don't have a decent textbook.
This type of stuff has to be in any type of textbook.
Ok well that's good news, lol. Still though, how would I say something like:
I did not study in the library yesterday
considering that to study is a compound word formed from the the noun 'studies' しゅかだい and the verb irregular verb 'to do' する which conjugates to ですin present form or します in masu form which conjugates to negative form じゃありません and past tense negative form じゃありませんでした. where do i stick the べんきょう part in the negatives past and present tense for a word like べんきょうします?
and is there a similar oddity for くる? itis there a じゃあいきません じゃあいきませんでした?
or is it simply いきません いきませんでした?
So, we are doing homework with you?? I'm sure your teacher told you how to conjugate the irregulars. That's one of the first things teachers teach for verb conjugation. Didn't you take notes? I'm leaving this thread....The homework is to make such a chart.
Seriously, don't you have a conjugation chart or some sort for this purpose? Skj91-san, you really need to invest in buying a good textbook with conjugation tables.
Strange. Usually textbooks have conjugation patterns for the irregular verbs suru