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Where are they? can you post them here to make your point?That is precisely why clauses and sub sections have been added to the law...
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Where are they? can you post them here to make your point?That is precisely why clauses and sub sections have been added to the law...
Exactly and this twit has no base for his/her argument, which I have lobbied right from the start.I am assuming that Chidoriashi presented the provision in an amended (if it had been at any point), up to date state, which would exclude the possibility of further amendments currently existing. I mean, the thing tells in which circumstances a constable may stop and question a person, and it is hard to believe that elsewhere it would provide the contrary in the same act.
I think he is right in requesting evidence to support your allegations, and I too am of the opinion that this is no longer a matter of principle, but of law. People spend time digging up authority to support their claims and it is disrespectful to ignore the evidence they provide and simply carry on.
No Reyter can't and that is why Reyter keeps resorting to changing the topic back to the police being "fascists" and avoiding the the valid points most people have made here.Where are they? can you post them here to make your point?
Perhaps this is what he is referring to...? Although it does say that the officials must show I.D. upon request if asked outside of their office, it does not require any certain order. In other words, in such a case both must show identification, but the order is unspecified.3 前項に規定する職員は、その事務所以外の場所において登録証明書の提示を求める場合には、その身分を示す証票を携帯し、請求があるときは、これを提示しなければならない。
Yes and Japan is so bad that other countries don't have similar laws, maybe you could become a freedom fighter and loby for all these countries to stop these laws.
These are just two countries which I dug up the law and in the Netherlands , shock horror, you even have to produce ID when witness to a crime.
Where are they? can you post them here to make your point?
Where are they? can you post them here to make your point?
LOL That is funny. You have searched the laws of various countries in a desperate bid to a law where police can pick out someone at random and demand to see their I.D. and question them but you couldnt. Was that all for me? LOL, very funny. For the 4th time, if I am a suspect in a crime it is the law that I coply with police and I have no problem doing that.
A liquor vendor asking to see the I.D. of someone who wants to buy alcohol because they suspect he or she is underage and police randomly stopping someone on the street to ask for I.D. is a plainly absurd comparison to make.
I already posted a link to them. You can see it maybe on the previous page. If you cant find it I would be happy to post another link if you so request.
Dont worry about it. Here are the links. The first one isnt the laws itself, just some observations on peoples experience with "the very kind" police and the second is some general info about the laws and the 3rd is the law with the clauses and sub-sections you requested.
1. Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED) | debito.org
2. www.debito.org: WHAT TO DO IF...quick guide to important info sites on debito.org plus PDF files
3. http://www.debito.org/GcardLAWS.pdf
Taken from your links, I really hope you are really not this stupid.Dont worry about it. Here are the links. The first one isnt the laws itself, just some observations on peoples experience with "the very kind" police and the second is some general info about the laws and the 3rd is the law with the clauses and sub-sections you requested.
1. Hokkaido Police at Chitose Airport only stop non-Asian passengers for G8 Summit anti-terrorist ID Checks, ask me for ID three times. Voice recording as proof (UPDATED) | debito.org
2. www.debito.org: WHAT TO DO IF...quick guide to important info sites on debito.org plus PDF files
3. http://www.debito.org/GcardLAWS.pdf
I agree, it is about as absurd as your statements in regards to anything in this thread... And that is pretty damm absurd.LOL That is funny. You have searched the laws of various countries in a desperate bid to a law where police can pick out someone at random and demand to see their I.D. and question them but you couldnt. Was that all for me? LOL, very funny. For the 4th time, if I am a suspect in a crime it is the law that I coply with police and I have no problem doing that.
A liquor vendor asking to see the I.D. of someone who wants to buy alcohol because they suspect he or she is underage and police randomly stopping someone on the street to ask for I.D. is a plainly absurd comparison to make.
Are you a complete and utter idiot? All those links you provided and the links provided by others clearly shows that you don't have to be suspected of a crime to be asked for your ID and no you don't have the right to refuse. Read the Foreign registry law again. So stop feeding untruths to people who may be reading this thread b/c you will only get them into trouble.Anyway, despite all the nervous irritation and desperate babbling on this thread if one cares to follow the links and read though the information one can clearly see that police cant lawfully demand to see I.D. if one, foreigner or Japanese, knows ones rights. If one is a suspect in a crime or is suspected of being about to be involved in a crime, the police have the lawful right to stop you and demand to see I.D. but you have the right to demand they produce their own I.D. for inspection before you show your own. If they stop you and say they wish to see your I.D. because you are a foreigner, of course it isnt illegal to ask but you have the legal right to refuse.
Japan is a nice and civilised country.
Do you not know simple comprehension, the laws exist and you provided links to them numbskull.Japan is a nice and civilised country. Did you people really think such backward laws existed without clauses?
Anyway, despite all the nervous irritation and desperate babbling on this thread if one cares to follow the links and read though the information one can clearly see that police cant lawfully demand to see I.D. if one, foreigner or Japanese, knows ones rights. If one is a suspect in a crime or is suspected of being about to be involved in a crime, the police have the lawful right to stop you and demand to see I.D. but you have the right to demand they produce their own I.D. for inspection before you show your own. If they stop you and say they wish to see your I.D. because you are a foreigner, of course it isnt illegal to ask but you have the legal right to refuse.
Japan is a nice and civilised country. Did you people really think such backward laws existed without clauses?
You are completely ridiculous.
"desperate babbling"... you mean everything you have posted.
This has really got you upset, hasnt it? Are we not friends anymore? To be perfectly honest, i stopped taking your messages seriously a few days ago. And as for "Frustrated Dave" LOL............. I havent taken his idiotic, befuddled, hysterical and hopelessly contradictory posts seriously yet.
Here is the link for anyone who wishes to know the laws. Japan is a civilised country and police powers over anyone, Japanese or foreigner are far more limited than the police and some pityful lackeys would have you believe.
http://www.debito.org/GcardLAWS.pdf
You are truly a idiotic aren't you? Oh, you stopped replying to my posts a few days ago?
I daresay this thread is way past its bedtime.
Do let us know how it goes next time you refuse to present ID to the police.
I would pay money to see to stopped and asked to show ID by a policeman and have you refuse, now that would be fun to watch.No, I stopped taking them seriously a few days ago. Im certainly not going to read all of your latest offereing. If you keep it short and to the point I may read it. Just for future reference.
I dont really care what you do or say just if you are a foreigner, dont just hand over your I.D. like a pityful, docile lackey but know your rights. Unless you are suspect in a crime, the police cant legally demand to see your I.D. So make sure you ask "why" if the police ever pull you up for a random check. If they say anything to the end; "because you are a foreigner" dont show them as they can only ask and you hae the right to refuse.
If they are smarter than the average policeman and say you are a suspect, you have to show them I.D. but, before that you have the right to demand to see their I.D. Do that and inspect it closely and as publicly can. It will destroy their little power trip.
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