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Help Pitch Accent for たい and its other forms

Hubert Hung

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I was wondering how the pitch accent for たい works when added after a verb to show a want for an action, like 行きたい、行きたくない (especially this one)、行きたかった、行きたくなかった

Is it a flat tone? or does it go down after た, or does it go down after な, or ?
 

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My wife's voice goes up an octave on the たい but I don't think that's normal!
I've just asked my two native Japanese speaking sons (age 11 and 8) to read the words, one's went up on the たい and one's didn't, so I guess it doesn't matter much.
 

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The pitch accent type of -tai forms differs depending on the type of the original verb, and each -tai form is treated as an i-adjective.

cf.
無核型
行く /イク=/
行きたい /イキタイ=/
Thus, 行きたい is treated as 無核型 adjective like 赤い.
行きたくない /イキタクナイ=/
行きたかった /イキタ]カッタ/
行きたくなかった /イキタクナ]カッタ/

有核型
生きる /イキ]ル/
生きたい /イキタ]イ/
Thus, 生きたい is treated as 有核型 adjective like 青い.
生きたくない /イキ]タクナイ/
生きたかった /イキ]タカッタ/
生きたくなかった /イキ]タクナカッタ/

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Hubert Hung

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So how do I know if a verb is 無核型 or 有核型? Based on their original accent from the dictionary form? So are words such as 書く considered 有核型, and words such as 遊ぶ count as 無核型?
 

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In general, if you aren't already familiar with it, the OJAD website is a great tool.
 

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So how do I know if a verb is 無核型 or 有核型? Based on their original accent from the dictionary form? So are words such as 書く considered 有核型, and words such as 遊ぶ count as 無核型?
Yes, of course.
 

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