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thatsme1010

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So what is the true English accent?
Based on my personal survey many Japanese people believe that it is the most important factor in speaking the English language with either British or American accent.

In my opinion 'WHO CARES'!
As long as is spoken clearly that is fine.

What do you think?
 

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I think you're right, as long spoken clearly that's fine, and quite alright!
 

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I think you're right, as long spoken clearly that's fine, and quite alright!

In this case why do you think most school in Japan recruit English native speaker?
The reason I am asking I know many none native speaker, mind you I hate using the word of 'native' that speak eloquently but with a none English accent.
 

Mike Cash

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In this case why do you think most school in Japan recruit English native speaker?
The reason I am asking I know many none native speaker, mind you I hate using the word of 'native' that speak eloquently but with a none English accent.
Partly because native speakers wouldn't have made any of the half-dozen errors which you made in that short post.
 

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partly? what is the other part please elaborate.
and btw let's not start analyzing sentences it is not wise, you might find someone who could find grammatical mistakes on your sentence too.
 

Mike Cash

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partly? what is the other part please elaborate.
and btw let's not start analyzing sentences it is not wise, you might find someone who could find grammatical mistakes on your sentence too.
In your rush to take offense you overlook my point.

No native speaker would be capable of making such basic errors as forgetting the plural "s" on "schools" and "speakers" or including the extraneous "of" in "word of native".

Do those errors adversely affect your ability to function and communicate in English? No, they don't.

Do they indicate that you would have a lesser capacity to notice and correct similar errors from students? Yes, they do.

In a labor market where there is an abundance of native speaking applicants, those seemingly trivial errors are enough to make the difference between being hired or not being hired. If you have either a written or an oral interview for an English teaching position and you consistently make such basic errors, thinking them unimportant, then you automatically lose the job. It doesn't matter what you think or what I think about how important such small errors are to being able to communicate. What matters is what the businessmen making the hiring decision thinks. Very few places are going to hire someone who consistently makes all the same careless errors the businessmen is hiring someone to correct in students. Imagine you owned a car detailing business and were interviewing two applicants for a job. One guy comes in a clean car and one guy comes in a nasty car. Which one would you hire?

If you haven't been able to get hired for an English teaching position in Japan it is almost certainly due to a decades-long careless inattention to what you consider trivial points of English language usage and not due to what sort of accent you have or don't have. You have to get past the gatekeeper...the person who makes the hiring decision... and he judges based on his standards, not yours.

To the ears of a native speaker, what may seem to you like tiny and unnoticeable omissions are actually quite jarring and impossible not to notice. In daily life, they don't affect communication and nobody will be so rude as to correct you, but you may be certain people notice each and every one of them. If you want to be hired as an English teacher in a market where you have to compete with people who don't make those errors and where that matters to employers then your only choice is to be more careful and avoid making those errors yourself. You have to adjust yourself to the labor market because the labor market isn't going to adjust itself to you.
 

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no offence mate, you made the point very succintly, unfortunately I never had the chance to any higher education, I assure you that I am British, by the way you've written the sentence it seems to me you are more academically advanced and also submerged more extensively in the academic world therefore equipped with a better English command.

There are many native English speaker that unconsciously make a lot of grammatical errors, written or spoken, like me.

I guess it depends on the level of education, some people are more predisposed than others.
Thanks for your reply and effort you put into it.
be my guest to correct my grammar LOL
 

Mike Cash

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I understand that you are British. But aren't you originally from Italy?

I have no particular academic background, by the way. I finished high school.
 

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lucky you, I didn't,
my point is there many English native speaker that are not capable to teach the language as the standard dictate, and there are many non native that are more capable. so you don't have to .be native in order to teach the language.
and to answer to your question I was born to a piece of land that people decided to call Italy? shortly left and became a nomad LOL
 
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