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on the other hand. mass media never wrote it about them

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Which do you agree with?

College activist raps controversial security bills at Diet hearing
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A university student leading a group of people opposed to security bills on Tuesday attended a public hearing in parliament and called for the controversial bills to be scrapped, predicting that opposition would be more vocal if the legislation is rammed through parliament.

Aki Okuda, a 23-year-old senior at Meiji Gakuin University and a key member of the group called Students Emergency Action for Liberal Democracy-s, or SEALDs, made the remarks at the hearing held by a House of Councillors committee deliberating the bills.

Okuda's appearance, made on the recommendation of the main opposition Democratic Party of Japan, comes as Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's Liberal Democratic Party is seeking to have the bills passed this week while people continued to rally outside the Diet building and elsewhere.

Yoshitada Konoike, the LDP member who chairs the upper house committee, decided at his discretion Tuesday night that the committee will conclude its deliberations on the bills on Wednesday despite calls for further debate from opposition parties.

The LDP and its ruling coalition partner the Komeito party plan to hold a vote in the committee on Wednesday at the earliest. The bills have already passed the House of Representatives, and the coalition envisions enacting the legislation on Friday at the latest.

As protesters continued to surround the Diet building on Tuesday, former judges also started taking action against the bills, which would greatly expand the role of the Self-Defense Forces overseas and allow Japan to engage in collective self-defence, or defending allies under armed attack even if Japan itself is not.

Seventy-five former judges have signed a paper saying that the security bills "violate" the nation's war-renouncing Constitution and "run counter to the principle of democracy," some of the signers said Tuesday. The statement has already been mailed to the president of the upper house, they said.

During the public hearing by the upper house committee, SEALDs' Okuda said, "People who became anxious after listening to Diet deliberations and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's incomprehensible explanations about security bills on TV started voicing their opinions across Japan."

"If the bills are railroaded, more people will voice their opposition than ever," he added.

Some participants in the hearing expressed support for the bills. They were two experts in international politics recommended by the ruling coalition. One of them, Kazuya Sakamoto, a professor at Osaka University's graduate school, said, "The bills would strengthen an alliance between Japan and the United States and enhance deterrence."

The 75 former judges who signed the petition were among some 100 to whom the statement had been faxed several days earlier. Sadao Kitazawa, one of the former judges who ran the signatures drive, said the response shows just how many former judges disapprove of the bills.

"Judges have this idea that they should refrain from making political comments after they retire, but this many people voiced their opposition, thinking this situation is abnormal," the 75-year-old said.
College activist raps controversial security bills at Diet hearing - 毎日新聞

Thousands say no to security legislation in Tokyo protest

People gather at Hibiya Yagai Ongakudo hall in Tokyo's Chiyoda Ward to protest against the security-related legislation despite heavy rain, on Sept. 9, 2015. (Mainichi)

Thousands of people gathered at a protest against the government-sponsored security bills in central Tokyo on Sept. 9 despite heavy rain.

About 5,500 people joined the rally at Hibiya Yagai Ongakudo, an open-air concert hall, in the capital's Chiyoda Ward, according to the citizens group "Senso sasenai, kyujo kowasuna! Sogakari kodo jikko iinkai" (Committee for all-out action: No war, don't destroy Article 9!) that organized the event. The participants shouted, "Stop railroading the bills!" and "Stop the out-of-control (Prime Minister Shinzo) Abe government!"

Tori Ise, a 19-year-old member of the group "Students Emergency Action for Liberal Democracy-s" (SEALDs), delivered a speech from the stage, saying, "We must not allow the unconstitutional bills that are full of flaws to pass. Democracy is facing a crisis."

"The government of Prime Minister Abe is trying to force through the security legislation without presenting valid reasons why we need it," said protester Takaaki Suzuki, 27, from Tokyo's Koto Ward.

A 31-year-old woman from Kobe said she joined the event to show her opposition to the security bills. Regarding Abe's unchallenged re-election as president of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), she said, "I suspect that the LDP's in-house atmosphere has become such that party members can't voice their opinions."
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the approval rate of the Abe administration is up to 46%
I thought so comparing to such fools


In my opinion, I do not understand their logic.
This bill tries to be decided in a few days. what do you think?
 

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Things have gotten quite heated in parliament.


I can hear the drums of war in the distance, and we all know who is beating the drum. If this passes, Mr Abe will forever be known as the man that sent Japan back on the path to war. Perhaps that's what he wants. These bills are framed under the auspices of "defending" Japan, but whoever is swallowing that pill is deluding themselves. This is the erosion of article 9, and it will continue to propel Japan towards the world stage... as an aggressor.

the approval rate of the Abe administration is up to 46%
I thought so comparing to such fools
内閣支持率46%に回復、70年談話「評価」42% 本社世論調査  :日本経済新聞

as my opinion, I do not understand their logic.
This bill tries to be decided in a few days. what do you think?
@caster55, can you please use more subjects in your sentences? I have a hard time following you sometimes. Who are the fools? and whose logic do you not understand?

As for me, if it wasn't apparent already, I agree with Mr. Okuda. I wish more young people had the passion he showed in his speech to the committee:
 

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Things have gotten quite heated in parliament.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/1...ke-scuffling-in-parliament.html?_r=0&referrer


As for me, if it wasn't apparent already, I agree with Mr. Okuda. I wish more young people had the passion he showed in his speech to the committee:

I like their passion though I can not agree with them.it seems just festival
as my opinion, I think it is natural that War is one of diplomatic tool.
State will is itself for diplomacy. It's a political inner citadel in other words. this is neither a war nor draft bill.
A man (political power layer) and man of farmer's productive class thinking( just categorized typical thinking . it does not need to belong to these classes actually. just thought) and merchant's layer possess the culture and their values original respectively by most of human social history.
A scholar and a religion person are included in the political power layer.
anyway,We assume so that it's natural that small number of victim goes out aiming at the biggest prosperity.
It's impossible to aim at person's prosperity of 100%. .this is the democracy. we have to listen to minority's opinions carefully, however It's a decision by majority finally.

The person of a farmer layer is different from a politician of logic priority, a scholar and a religion person, and has the aptitude which emphasizes the know-how to live every day.
It isn't right, but logic has trial and error by an actual experience.
Of course, it's also defective in this with an advantage.
A sense of values of a merchant layer leaks by an idea in detail, and it is thinking the one which always brings a new movement to society and that are natural.
Always regarding society as a market, and when being accepted aiming at the new some spreads, it'll be its success with that, and when being not accepted, becomes failed.
And It say " I aim to become definitive with a successful man".
My occasion is also so.
Something as market principle functions absolutely. When accepting, that succeeds.

Politics isn't always aiming at reformation.
The reason the person who lives doesn't want know-how to change from which to the current state as much as possible.
The one with the not different current state is because accumulation to that lives.
The one as the viewpoint a rightist has is ”high affairs of state” or " the world and the nation"
By which viewpoint is left-wing refutation to this told?
They lack logic and live in know-how.
it is appealing to actual feeling of productive class tinkjng, that is, Viewpoint of the dweller.

If Japan is attacked, what would you do ? left-winger never answer it.
If sacrifice is given, what would you do ? right winger never answer it
because It is already discounted. and it exists the viewpoint that damage and sacrifice are minimized. what woul you do ?
however If sacrifice is given, what would you do what? It cannot answer the question

The right-winger who should talk from a political viewpoint needs the answer from the viewpoint of the dweller though..
So does left-winger. and left-winger needs political matter to answer logically.it is as same as.. because a leftist can't answer such difficult thing, a politician do well, please. and they just chant !No! war. quit Abe. democracy and peace.


that is why left wing just chant "we do not like war"
they only replace a story secretly from politics and diplomatic background. it is neither war nor draft bill again.

anyway
The war is the last means
It's diplomacy that we can never avoid and pass in front of it.Japan is poor here, I mean weak point. because Japan is not independent actually.
The use of right of collective self-defense by all except for the shape that Japan supports an American war is impossible.
A policy of national defense can't keep autonomy .
 
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If you're using a translation tool or directly translating your thoughts from Japanese to English, could you please include the source material? I get the gist of what you're saying but it's hard to follow.

This isn't a war bill or draft bill, but as I said, it's the first step towards aggression. There's a reason Japan has article 9 in the first place, and that IS experience. It doesn't take a scholar to know the price Japan has paid for military aggression in the past.

Did you watch Mr. Okuda's statement? Does he seem like he was attending a festival? I find that hard to believe.
 

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If you're using a translation tool or directly translating your thoughts from Japanese to English, could you please include the source material? I get the gist of what you're saying but it's hard to follow.

This isn't a war bill or draft bill, but as I said, it's the first step towards aggression. There's a reason Japan has article 9 in the first place, and that IS experience. It doesn't take a scholar to know the price Japan has paid for military aggression in the past.

Did you watch Mr. Okuda's statement? Does he seem like he was attending a festival? I find that hard to believe.
????? there is not such like web..

anyway. which logic is correct?


 

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In a democracy, joining the communist party is a valid choice, no?
 

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this is interesting
there are many interesting ones like this

 

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of course yes! that is why the decision by majority is needed.
OK. I just question why you are compelled to point out that the youth movement are communists. It is a legitimate political party with some representation in the national assembly and in local politics. And I question why you are posting Kent Gilbert's youtube videos which have no relation to the original topic of SEALDs.
 

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anyway. which logic is correct?

"The majority of the media are liberal, and those liberals are very open-minded [sic!] to communism."

That's where I stopped trying to understand her logic. Her video channel is quite disturbing to watch ("Yasukuni Song"). And she has a website too, the People's Enlightenment Coalition, slogan: "We Speak For the Apathetic". You are doing yourself a disservice when quoting such sources, @caster55.

What I'm wondering is who is sponsoring such individuals?
 
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