Not to sound argumentative, but in that case you will need more Jlpt 2 , Jlpt 1 won't be enough either, that is just my experience.when i say living in japan, it means living like a japanese, including understanding at least the common keigo used in customer service, in case you're approached my a salesperson or similar. also, you can converse with japanese you meet, read most writings (like signs, notices etc) with no problem.
Like I said earlier, you don't need to be able to read much Japanese at all and still get by, but by the poster tanhql standards to be able to function at the same level as a Japanese, you will need a lot more than Jlpt 1. I quote "read most writings (like signs, notices etc) with no problem.", to me that requires more than Jlpt 2.I manage quite well with nothing more than JLPT2. And that includes reading novels and nonfiction in Japanese.
Well let me ask you this Mike, when did you get Jlpt 2? To me it sounds like you are well past Jplt 2 level. A test is just that , something to gague where you are at and if you can read with relatively no difficulty then you are at a higher level. Remember reading is just one part of the exam and just b/c jlpt 2is the highest accredication that you have does not mean that will dictate your Japanese level for the rest of your life until you decide to strap on the thinking cap and go for Jplt 1, does it?. Remember when you are emersed in this society learning is almost garrenteed if you put the effort in like you say, you of all people would know this.I read most signs and notices with no problem. And I only have JLPT2.
Everything I get at work is in Japanese only, and I get by with no problem. And I only have JLPT2.
I read Japanese books, sans dictionary or other reference materials, for my own enjoyment and get through them with no real problems. And I only have JLPT2.
I don't deny that JLPT1 would be preferable, and I wish I had the give-a-damn to study Japanese again and maybe get myself up to that level. But I don't have the give-a-damn, and that is due in part to the fact that I get by in daily life just fine-n-dandy on JLPT2.
I think probably folks who consider JLPT2 to be too lightweight for functional literacy have just not put the time and effort into actual real-world reading that they have put into just memorizing the kanji.
I take it you have passed JLPT1? Or did I misunderstand you in an earlier post?
Sorry did not see this in you post.I take it you have passed JLPT1? Or did I misunderstand you in an earlier post?
Chinese and Koreans seem to be able to get it easier than English speaking foreigners.I passed it in '97, I think it was. But all the things I mentioned above were true in '97 as well as in '07.
I have to agree wholeheartedly with Dave about running across people with JLPT1 and wondering how the hell they got it. Not because of their ability to converse, because I don't think I've ever met one in person. But quite a few times I've seen them ask questions on the net that they very easily should have been able to answer for themselves in two minutes using the Japanese side of Google.
If he's talking primarily about writing at the general level most "signs and public notices," should be clear to anyone between Jlpt 3 and 2.Like I said earlier, you don't need to be able to read much Japanese at all and still get by, but by the poster tanhql standards to be able to function at the same level as a Japanese, you will need a lot more than Jlpt 1. I quote "read most writings (like signs, notices etc) with no problem.", to me that requires more than Jlpt 2.