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All these wars and killings and stuff?

Since 1991?
The world isn't really on any different course than it was 50 years ago...

And people have been having wars since before fire. Please, don't say that war is the cause of a crash cause, it is no different that a thousand years ago but instead we have guns not bows and arrows. And, in any case, the world being on a crash course actually doesn't have anything to do with this crazy girl.
I'm not being horrible, but if all your posts are like that then you will end up with some of them being deleted by the mods. :D Enjoy your stay on Jref!
 
All these wars and killings and stuff?
I'm not being horrible, but if all your posts are like that then you will end up with some of them being deleted by the mods. :D Enjoy your stay on Jref!

I've been here for over a year. I just don't post much. If you don't like my posts, put me on your ignore list. I won't lose any sleep. ^_^
 
What a really crazy person. I hope she gets the help she desparatly needs. The world's been on such a crash-course since 1991, with all of these wars and killings and stuff.

Contrary to what you may believe, the world did not begin the year that you were born, and I don't think 1991 was particularly a turning point in world history.
 
I've been here for over a year. I just don't post much. If you don't like my posts, put me on your ignore list. I won't lose any sleep. ^_^
I second this idea.

Of course, having been here for a year, you know that often we have to defend our posts when others "take issue" with them.

I, too, am curious, though, as to why you specifically chose 1991 for the beginning of the decline of the world.

As for the girl who poisoned her mother is concerned, I think it is a symptom of a much larger social disease in which people do not understand or appreciate the value of life.
 
I, too, am curious, though, as to why you specifically chose 1991 for the beginning of the decline of the world.
Since everyone want to know why I chose 1991 as the starting point for the decline of the world, heres why. Do you know what happened in 1991? The Soviet Union infamously disentigrated. Before one starts crying out "OMG SLATIN KILLED 67 BILLION PEOPLEFOR NOT CALLING HIM COMRADE!!!11!!", let take a lookat the Soviet Union and the United States, shall we?
In the Soviet Union, there was no racism, Blacks did not have to sit at the back seat of a bus, the Anti-Simitic progroms that haunted Tsarist Russia were a thing of the past, and there were no "Skinheads" or Uyoku to devide the people based on silly lines of "Ethnicity" or "Race". People being shot for walking down a street would have been unheard of, so would slowly poisoning your parent with thallium. The Russian Mafia was a shadow of what it is today, mostly confined in prisons where it belonged. If you told a russian 30 years ago that their country would have gone from a superpower to a third world nation, they would have laughed in your face. Now, the Russians enjoy "freedom". Freedom to be evicted from their apartments because they cannot afford to pay their rent. Freedom to be devided into little racist dictatorships, having their own little wars. Don't tell me that the world is better off without the Soviet Union, because it is not. Without the counter-balence of the U.S.S.R., the U.S. is free to plunder and rape on a scale that would have been impossible had not that liberal scumbag Gorby or that Warmongering psychopath Ronald Reagan had been in power. The Soviet Union, even if it was as bad as the history books tell it, cannot be worse than the U.S. So here is the reason why I said what I said. You can choose to flame me if you wish, or put me on ignore. It won't change a thing.
 
Thanks, Flanker!

Are you saying that if the Soviet Union had not disintegrated the incident of this thread's OP would not have happened?
 
Thanks, Flanker!
Are you saying that if the Soviet Union had not disintegrated the incident of this thread's OP would not have happened?
No, I never said that. That girl sounds like a psychopath. It would have happened, USSR or not. I was just explaining why I said 1991 was the decline of the world, and I needed to get a few things off my chest.
 
Sorry, I worded my post wrong yesterday, I was a bit, lets say, drunk...
I won't put you on my ignore list, because I didn't hate your post, I was, as far as I can see, polite. But like Mikawa Ossan said, I should have said, asking about why you chose 1991 specifically.
However, in your most recent post, you did include some seeming hatred towards the US. Could you clearly explain this hatred, although you might want to wait for a Mod, before he says that conversation is too offtopic.
Russia was home to the Soviet Union for a long time. Communism is such a good idea, one that I love. But the problem is that it is easy for some of the top people to become corrupt. Now, I have nothing against communism - it was made by German whilst on a stay in the United Kingdom - but it did go wrong in some sections, although not all.
The problem with your message above is that it doesn't just show hatred to America, but to the UK, and many other Western influenced nations, because they all function on a very similar level to the USA.
Please explain more deeply your views on this point.
Oh, and I'm giving rep points to you if you do explain more deeply. :D
If you don't want to, fine, I just put my message down to find 2 more posts :D

And damnit, I just realised that yesterday I read your join date as apr 14 2007, when it says 2006. Sorry, I think I was more off than I previously thought!
 
Yeah, I'm not exactly innocent either, when it came to that post. Let me make one thing clear: I do not hate Americans or the citizens of America's allies (Otherwise I would have to hate myself, lol) but I hate the way America acts in the world, not just recently, but throughout history. I also hate the sheer arrogance of the Neo-Cons such as those found in Little Green Footballs. They (The Neo-Cons) think that they are the heroes of the world, when, 6 out of 10 people in America hates them. Let's not even go over what the world thinks of them. I'm also not a fan of the Democratic Party. They are no better than Republicans. I am just sick and tired of the sheer hypocracy that capitalism in all countries present. I am sick of arrogant militarists who think they know what's best for the world. If America cut spending for its wars, and shifted it over to help people, and stopped intervening in third-world contries, then the world would be a better place. We Communists are not evil people conspiring to make everyone miserable, we just want a fair and peaceful world.
 
Thanks Mikawa Ossan!

I myself don't vote in elections. They all end up mucking up the country. Any government has its pros and cons, so I'm not too bothered. I do support the idea of Capitalism more than Communism though. The thing is for me, is that as long as some rules are in place, you can live your lives.
I agree that the Democratic party and Republican party aren't that different, in the fact that they both do terrible things for the country.

The reason I prefer Capitalism is that there is a wealth divide. People who work hard in life get more, but those that do nothing get nothing, although, in the UK, benefits systems even mean the lazy bums get a share of my money. The benefits system here is getting terrible, and gets worse each year...

I believe that in some cases, large wealthier countries need to step in in third world countries, but not as much as they do, and not to the extent that Bush is (with damned blair following him every time)

I do realise that Communists are not evil. But some people do get corrupt. Then again, they do in Capitalist states as well.

This is becoming a great conversation. I haven't had a decent debate of the sort since I was in first year at high school (I was in the debating club. I've lost my knack for it though :D)

Just a question Flanker, but are you part of a communist family, or have you joined communism as you have matured? If you don't want to say, please, don't feel obliged!

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The reason I prefer Capitalism is that there is a wealth divide. People who work hard in life get more, but those that do nothing get nothing, although, in the UK, benefits systems even mean the lazy bums get a share of my money. The benefits system here is getting terrible, and gets worse each year...
I know a freind of mine who's father used to be a pilot at Aeroflot (The Soviet Airline). He was pretty much top of the line and a very intelligent person. When the 1991 counter-revolution came, he had to flee, and now works as a Taxi Driver.
Just a question Flanker, but are you part of a communist family, or have you joined communism as you have matured? If you don't want to say, please, don't feel obliged!
My mother is a Democratic Socialist (NOT a Communist), so I've pretty much been influence by that, plus some personal experiences of mine, which I am not in the mood to go over right now.
 
Yeah, I'm not exactly innocent either, when it came to that post. Let me make one thing clear: I do not hate Americans or the citizens of America's allies (Otherwise I would have to hate myself, lol) but I hate the way America acts in the world, not just recently, but throughout history. I also hate the sheer arrogance of the Neo-Cons such as those found in Little Green Footballs. They (The Neo-Cons) think that they are the heroes of the world, when, 6 out of 10 people in America hates them. Let's not even go over what the world thinks of them. I'm also not a fan of the Democratic Party. They are no better than Republicans. I am just sick and tired of the sheer hypocracy that capitalism in all countries present. I am sick of arrogant militarists who think they know what's best for the world. If America cut spending for its wars, and shifted it over to help people, and stopped intervening in third-world contries, then the world would be a better place. .

You know the world is not all black and white, I admire that you have such strong convictions and beliefs.


We Communists are not evil people conspiring to make everyone miserable, we just want a fair and peaceful world

You are a communist?

I think however that your view of communism is naive, even in a communist state there are those that have and those that dont have, it isn't all fair and equal.
 
Since everyone want to know why I chose 1991 as the starting point for the decline of the world, heres why. Do you know what happened in 1991? The Soviet Union infamously disentigrated. Before one starts crying out "OMG SLATIN KILLED 67 BILLION PEOPLEFOR NOT CALLING HIM COMRADE!!!11!!", let take a lookat the Soviet Union and the United States, shall we?
In the Soviet Union, there was no racism, Blacks did not have to sit at the back seat of a bus, the Anti-Simitic progroms that haunted Tsarist Russia were a thing of the past, and there were no "Skinheads" or Uyoku to devide the people based on silly lines of "Ethnicity" or "Race". People being shot for walking down a street would have been unheard of, so would slowly poisoning your parent with thallium. The Russian Mafia was a shadow of what it is today, mostly confined in prisons where it belonged. If you told a russian 30 years ago that their country would have gone from a superpower to a third world nation, they would have laughed in your face. Now, the Russians enjoy "freedom". Freedom to be evicted from their apartments because they cannot afford to pay their rent. Freedom to be devided into little racist dictatorships, having their own little wars. Don't tell me that the world is better off without the Soviet Union, because it is not. Without the counter-balence of the U.S.S.R., the U.S. is free to plunder and rape on a scale that would have been impossible had not that liberal scumbag Gorby or that Warmongering psychopath Ronald Reagan had been in power. The Soviet Union, even if it was as bad as the history books tell it, cannot be worse than the U.S. So here is the reason why I said what I said. You can choose to flame me if you wish, or put me on ignore. It won't change a thing.
Not going to flame you. But, I apprecaite your ability to talk and stand behind your point. Now lets see if you can do it and keep your head I think you can and this might be fun.
1. as to the black not having to sit at the back of the bus and there being a so called lack of racism. I'm sorry but, this is not really possible. Its human nature to descriminate against whats different. EVERYONE is racist to some degree racism will exsist so long as there are different races.
2. Bein a U.S. citizen I can ABSOLUTLY AGREE. The U.S. Is every bit as evil as Russia which in turn is every bit as evil as iraq, which in turn is just as evil as Germany. The simple truth is we are all people regardless of nation/ethnicity/race.. you really can't judge countries as evil or not.. for ever action there is an equal an opposite reaction simple as that.. We grow up on different sides of the reaction. We are mirror opposites.. your evil is my good your devil is my god and vice versa.
3. Is comparision sake.. look.. I am not going to call the soviet union "evil" because of the pergings.. of one man. He was feared.. and people obeyed him.. however, would you rather be kicked out of your apartment or killed?
4. I agree to the counter balance.. issue.. every right needs a left. up needs a down.
5. I agree or at least comprehend your views.. however, I think the one thing you fail to realise is that its all corrupt. Capitalism, socialism, democracy, republic, communism, its all evil. It is all run by people.. people are inherently corruptable. I can sit back and say I agree with you on your views because to some extent I do. However, I disagree that the fall of communism has set the world ablaze and to its doom. One system is as evil as another its something we all have to learn to live with.
I can see your passion and thats a good thing.. but, I do think you need to look at the overall pictures more.. Hmm.. if your christian/jewish/muslim.. then according to the bible/torah/koran cities in general are evil☝meaning the governments governing them are the same..
So. really.. its just a matter of picking your side.. and then realising your the same as the guy standing across the line
 
1. as to the black not having to sit at the back of the bus and there being a so called lack of racism. I'm sorry but, this is not really possible. Its human nature to descriminate against whats different. EVERYONE is racist to some degree racism will exsist so long as there are different races.

But the difference was, that racism in the U.S.S.R only manifested itself in a few bigots who wisely kept to themselves; it was not official policy like it was in Apartheid South Africa or the Segregated American South.

2. Bein a U.S. citizen I can ABSOLUTLY AGREE. The U.S. Is every bit as evil as Russia which in turn is every bit as evil as iraq, which in turn is just as evil as Germany. The simple truth is we are all people regardless of nation/ethnicity/race.. you really can't judge countries as evil or not.. for ever action there is an equal an opposite reaction simple as that.. We grow up on different sides of the reaction. We are mirror opposites.. your evil is my good your devil is my god and vice versa.

I can agree with you here.

4. I agree to the counter balance.. issue.. every right needs a left. up needs a down.

I can agree with you here.

5. I agree or at least comprehend your views.. however, I think the one thing you fail to realise is that its all corrupt. Capitalism, socialism, democracy, republic, communism, its all evil. It is all run by people.. people are inherently corruptable. I can sit back and say I agree with you on your views because to some extent I do. However, I disagree that the fall of communism has set the world ablaze and to its doom. One system is as evil as another its something we all have to learn to live with.
I can see your passion and thats a good thing.. but, I do think you need to look at the overall pictures more.. Hmm.. if your christian/jewish/muslim.. then according to the bible/torah/koran cities in general are evilmeaning the governments governing them are the same..
So. really.. its just a matter of picking your side.. and then realising your the same as the guy standing across the line

If all people were corrupt, then why bother doing anything 9_9. i don't intend to eliminate corruption, that is impossible. I do intend to eliminate the problems that can be solved.
 
I believe that the cold war was a very good thing for the world. I will explain below.
I believe that when Capitalism occurs, there should be communism at the same time. To explain my above point:
The cold war was good because it kept both Capitalist and Communist states in check, neither daring to attack. An eternal cold war would be a good thing, as nothing happened, nor would it happen.
Now, there is no real political disagreement between communist nations and capitalist nations, which leaves room for hatred from one side to strike whilst the other's guard is down.

Flanker, something I thought of as I went to sleep last night.
In your post, that started this discussion originally, saying how the world is on a crash course, how would this relate to Japan and Japanese poisonings/murders. Japan has not been affected by communism to the extent where it's withdrawal would make a real difference to how Japan operates.

I agree with you flanker, on the same points that you agree with Arctic. We are all the same, we can all in different circumstances find the same way or different ways to live our lives.
It is just a matter of realising this.
 
If all people were corrupt, then why bother doing anything 9_9. i don't intend to eliminate corruption, that is impossible. I do intend to eliminate the problems that can be solved.
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Erm not all people are nessicerly "corrupt" however, think about it. Who runs the countries? The ones with the money (more so in capitolism but, even in communism there are classes believe it or not). So what are the odds of someone totally broke coming into power?

Then.. even if they aren't rich that doesn't garuentee taht they will be uncorrupt.

Hmm there is a saying which I agree with "Power doens't cause corruption it reveals corruption".. People are more corrupt then they like to admit. However, the truth is even if your not corrupt can you still be a good leader?

Much as I hate to say it.. some of the best leaders ever were corrupt on some level. Take hitler. I in NO WAY support what he did but, I can also look at him and say he was a pretty amazing leader. I can respect him, without agreeing with him. Just like Stalin. He killed many people. But, the sheer fact he "got away with it" if you will proves he knew what he was doing as a leader.

Capitolism? corrupt. Communism? corrupt. Set them together to balance eachtoher out.. its not pretty.. but, there is at least an understanding.

As to the relation of communism and this post. I think he is saying that if communism had spread. and capitolism had spread so that there was balance. then there would be 2 spears of influence. having the two spears of influences means the world is united against the other half of the world.

Rather then having things as they are now. It would be black and white. Blue is my friend red is my enemy. But, because the two sides are so split.. and so diverse.. we woudln't dare go to war.
 
Um.. Where to start.. 😌

The thing with communism is that it's not fit to give the best to its people. If you think logically and open your eyes on the world's history, we can see that capitalist economies have outperformed communist ones. China is no exception; they are growing so blindingly fast because they embraced some capitalist principles, fueled by a strong growth in population and a undervalued currency.

Anyway, the idea of sharing a nation's wealth with everybody is a very good idea, but it doesn't work. People are animals who needs rewards, and consciously or unconsciously weigh their risks and benefits when performing a tasks. When there is no incentive to work hard because your evalutation and renumeration is not based your performance, why would someone work hard? In the book Utopia by Thomas More the people on the perfect Island all work hard for the same renumeration, but in reality it's nothing more than a fairy tale.

So while the system itself is very noble and fair, the people that should be part of the system are not compatible with this. Underperformance is the consequence, with in turn leads to decreased national wealth. Even if there were no corruption (corruption is basically the people at the top creating their own rewards), there would be less wealth to divide than under a capitalist system. I think therefore it is actually inhumane to have such a system in place.

I do think that there has to be a balance of course; I like the idea of free education and free health care and stuff. But even my very moderate pro-social views are sometimes shattered by reality. Free education, funded by the state, takes away the incentives for teachers to perform well. Or if they're being evaluated by the number of students passing an exam, they just make the exams easier. With regard to free health care, I believe Canada has such a system, but I heard that the waiting lists there are longer (because people go to the doctor because it's free anyway) than many countries without free health care, which is a very bad thing if you really need immediate care.

All in all, communism is not my cup of tea.
 
Hmm your post made me think of something.. I think we should keep in mind we aren't dealing with "pure capitolism" in america. (not justifying anything america has ever done) but, we aren't excately purely capitolistic..we do have taxes and things of that nature.

Its all in finding balance x.x too bad there isn't some obvious scale.
 
There is no such thing as pure capitalism!
Nor pure communism.
Nor pure religion.

Nothing is pure!
 
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