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TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan protested to China on Friday after concluding that a nuclear-powered submarine that intruded into its waters this week belonged to the Chinese navy.



Japan mobilized its navy for the first time in five years on Wednesday after the submarine was spotted near the Okinawa islands, 1,000 miles southwest of Tokyo.


The intrusion was brief and no warning shots were fired, but the mobilization was a rare display of Japan's military response.


"We made an overall judgment that the submarine belonged to the Chinese navy," Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a news conference, adding that the decision was based on the direction the sub was taking and because it appeared to be nuclear-powered.


Military analysts have said that, apart from the United States, China was the only country regularly operating nuclear-powered submarines in the area.


Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura summoned Cheng Yonghua, a senior official at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo, to lodge a protest and demanded an explanation and an apology for the intrusion.


"I demanded that steps be taken to prevent it from happening again," Machimura told reporters after the meeting.


The Chinese Foreign Ministry (news - web sites) had no immediate comment, but it was holding an emergency meeting and was conferring with other government departments over Japan's charges, a spokesman said.


Japanese media had quoted military sources as saying the submarine was Chinese, but the government had not previously confirmed those reports, with some analysts saying that was because it did not want to worsen its fragile relations with China.


BAD TIMING


The incident has fueled fears in Japan about the military threat posed by China and is likely to further dent relations between the Asian neighbors, still plagued by memories of Japan's occupation of parts of China in the 1930s and 1940s.


China has been angered by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's annual visits to Tokyo's Yasukuni Shrine, where war criminals are honored along with other war dead, and plans for a summit have been put on hold.


The two sides have been working toward holding a meeting between Koizumi and Chinese President Hu Jintao at this month's Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (news - web sites) (APEC (news - web sites)) meeting in Chile.


A meeting of leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Laos this month could provide another opportunity.


Koizumi said the summits were necessary for the development of bilateral ties and hoped that the submarine episode would not hurt relations with Beijing.


"Japan-China ties are important. Both sides must make efforts so that this incident will not have a detrimental effect," he told reporters.


Other bilateral spats are festering.





Japan and China, along with Taiwan, have long disputed sovereignty over a cluster of islands in the East China Sea -- known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China -- that are 200 km (124 miles) northwest of the area where the submarine was seen.

Tokyo and Beijing are also at odds over a Chinese gas field project in a disputed part of the East China Sea, where Chinese research and naval ships have repeatedly entered Japan's exclusive economic waters without prior notice. (Additional reporting by John Ruwitch, Cher Gao and Zhou Xiqin in Beijing)
 
China Says Sub Mistakenly Entered Japan Waters, Shows Regret
China on Tuesday admitted one of its nuclear submarines mistakenly entered Japanese territorial waters last week and expressed regret over the incident, Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura said.

Chinese Vice Foreign Minister Wu Dawei conveyed the message to Japanese Ambassador to China Koreshige Anami in the morning, Machimura told reporters, adding Japan took Wu's comments as an apology for the incident.

It was China's first official reaction to Japan since Tokyo determined Friday the intrusion was committed by a Chinese submarine, calling on Beijing for an investigation and an apology.
 
It is said that the China's sub was detected by US through US planted seabed sensors along Chinese coast and then US informed Japan about Chinese sub's intrusion. If it's true, the ability of Japanes military is poor and thus will much more be dependent on US helps or control if Japan want to beat China. However, this mean Japan is always just a participant in region's affairs and not a dominant such as US and future China!!! LOL
 
devmim said:
It is said that the China's sub was detected by US through US planted seabed sensors along Chinese coast and then US informed Japan about Chinese sub's intrusion. If it's true, the ability of Japanes military is poor and thus will much more be dependent on US helps or control if Japan want to beat China. However, this mean Japan is always just a participant in region's affairs and not a dominant such as US and future China!!! LOL

where did u get that from?
 
they also have high technology and well trained soliders beside usa. let's not make that conclusion so fast.
 
It's just another ploy to make people fight each other.

This news of Japan protesting of a Chinese submarine intrusion is just another ploy to make people fight each other and also defame both Japan, the P.R.C. , and probably also the U.S.A. .



Since if Japan is acting on its own, it wouldn't dare to tell to the world about what happened, it probably would just quietly slip a note to the nearest P.R.C. embassy that said "I know what you did, don't do it again if you're not ready to face the consequences."

Why it wouldn't dare?

- It showed the weakness of Japan's defense.

- If the knowledge of the submarine intrusion was gained from U.S.A.'s sources, it showed that Japan is defenseless in term of submarine intrusion without the U.S.A.

- It's only a minor intrusion, why bother telling everyone that you got a fly sneak into the house?


Nevertheless, this incident proves that Japan is NOT acting on its own and only merely following orders from somewhere else.
 
An article from the Wall Street Journal:

US Defense Dept: China Launches New Nuclear Submarine


DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
December 3, 2004 4:36 p.m.

WASHINGTON (AP)--China has launched the first submarine in a new class of nuclear subs designed to fire intercontinental ballistic missiles, U.S. defense officials said Friday.

The submarine is, at a minimum, months away from having missiles installed and going on a cruise, one official said, discussing foreign weapons developments only on the condition of anonymity. Still, it is further evidence of China's intentions to expand both its nuclear weapons and submarine forces, officials say.

It was widely known that China was building the new class of nuclear-missile submarine, called the "Type 094," but the launch is far ahead of what U.S. intelligence expected, one official said.

The launch was first reported in The Washington Times. The newspaper reported that U.S. intelligence spotted the sub at a shipyard 250 miles northwest of Beijing.

It would be China's first submarine capable of launching nuclear weapons that could reach the U.S. from the country's home waters, officials said.

The Chinese military has also been developing a new class of submarine-launched ballistic missile, called the JL-2, that is expected to have a range in excess of 4,600 miles. The Type 094 submarine would carry these missiles, but it is not clear whether the missiles are ready for deployment.

Previously, China has had only one submarine capable of launching nuclear missiles, called the Type 092, or Xia, class. In 2001, a Pentagon report said the Xia was not operational. Its missiles were of an older class that could fly only 600 miles.

Successful cruises by the Type 094 would give China a new strategic deterrent against the U.S., no longer limited to land-based ICBMs and weapons carried on aircraft. But U.S. defense officials say China lags behind the U.S. in its ability to hide submarines from sophisticated sonars and other sensors.

China is also modernizing its land-based nuclear missile force, replacing its estimated 20 ICBMs with more modern versions. In a report on China's military issued last May, the Pentagon said China's cache of ICBMs could increase to 30 by next year and 60 by 2010.

Although considered unlikely in the near term, the most likely avenue for conflict between the U.S. and China is over Taiwan, which China regards as a rogue province. Taiwan is seeking high-tech weaponry from the U.S., including diesel submarines and anti-submarine aircraft.

The U.S., France, Russia and the U.K. all have submarines capable of launching ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.


It seems like Japan is not the only country worried about this situation. That could be some serious threats to various countries if China is able to in fact launch ballistic missles with nuclear warheads. I guess China is taking after the US and trying to beef up their military, so who knows what will become of this situation.
 
digicross said:
Since if Japan is acting on its own, it wouldn't dare to tell to the world about what happened, it probably would just quietly slip a note to the nearest P.R.C. embassy that said "I know what you did, don't do it again if you're not ready to face the consequences."

Why it wouldn't dare?
It is possible that Chinese submarines had been routinely entering Japanese water for years, and Japan had been "just quietly slip a note to the nearest P.R.C. embassy that said 'I know what you did, don't do it again if you're not ready to face the consequences'" before Japanese government finally decided to make it public.

- It's only a minor intrusion, why bother telling everyone that you got a fly sneak into the house?
Such kind of comment does not justify the violation of United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Part Ⅱ Article 20, which says
Submarines and other underwater vehicles

In the territorial sea, submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag.
 
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