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Independent Nations Or One World?

AquaLung

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13 Dec 2012
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Which do you think ultimately works? In my opinion, fully independent nations is the greater of the two. We are not One World. Removing nations in the political sense will not remove nations in the cultural sense. The need for independence applies to not only individuals, but individual groups. Any relatively fast move to a One World type political format will either create immense chaos, or create such a need for a hyper-policed society that everyone will become mere livestock.

Your thoughts?
 
Just look at the forums for all of the overgeneralizations about other countries ethical beliefs and cultures, then add to that a political leader that leads, judges, and enforces laws for those societies. I am more than skeptic that that would ever work, so long as humans pursue monetary gain over personal development.

In fact, wouldn't the first thing such a government attempt to do would be to take from the more productive countries and shower the low productive ones with "assistance." Living in the US long enough, it's dreadfully apparent that handouts generally produce lazy behavior. The correct thing to do would be to produce jobs instead. However, since a small country such as the US has failed to see that just yet, how could a global government expect to do any better? A bit of a rant, but I suspect that's what would happen considering the type of leadership I see in this political generation.
 
The older I get the more I get opposed to even some of the powers and functions of the U.N. Not all, but some. I like the discussion features of the U.N. that help avert war. But I do not like things like the U.N. Commission on Narcotic Drugs because it has pressured all countries to confirm to unjust drug laws and even the Netherlands has not been able to escape their moronic influence. You can attribute all flaws in Holland's drug policies to the meddling of that commission.

I feel the same about Interpol. I like it when they go after war criminals. I am dubious about some of their child porn and child sex offense arrests and extraditions though. Sure, I despise kidnapping pedo rings, but a guy who went to a child brothel in Thailand that would be there with or without the sex tourists? Ultimately a policy that is worse than useless.

One world government would leave good people nowhere to go if that government becomes corrupt and/or genocidal. But in the effort to make sure bad people like terrorists, Nazis and war criminals have no where to hide, I am afraid good people won't be able to hide either despite not having a true one world government.
 
I've considered this before. I think that we need unity on a global level when it comes to humanity, but I prefer the world the way it is now.

I think that America is a good example of the way the world would look if you merged everything together. Don't get me wrong, I love my country, and am very proud of our history and what it stands for, but everything has gone to crap because our people are divided internally on every single issue you could imagine. No one can see eye-to-eye here because there's always some sort of competition. We have a lot of discrimination that is spawned defensively against those who want to be different, but still be the "equal". Our society has become hypersensitive of race, ethnicity and heritage, and it's ripping our country apart. Now our society must acknowledge all of the cultures, languages, and ideas within them because our people come from other places in the world.

It's because of our focus on other races, cultures and identities that our people are divided. Instead of thinking of themselves as Americans, many people here think of themselves as black, white, gay, straight, Republican, Democrat, atheists, theists, and so on. This obsession with being "different but equal" has divided our people and turned us on one another, and it really stops our country from making the sort of social, political, technological and moral progress that we're capable of.

Long story short, I think that merging cultures, governments and languages would be disastrous. People will always want to cling to their culture/heritage/race/language/beliefs/general identities, and for so many people of various different backgrounds to actually get along, they'll have to see past their differences and focus on what's actually important.
 
The peoples in the world are closer to each other more than any time in humans history, I know there are many nations with many governments but the people are connected like if we live in one nation, people travel to other nations very easily, people speak to others Live ! It's almost one nation but it's like everyone has his own house :)
 
Why can we not have both?

that it's nationalism or nothing is not the way to look at things.

The forward direction is called Post-Nationalism.

In which all the exciting and interesting things still remain very national - but the boring and important things - are governemd with a larger degree of integration.

This is the model the EU has.

France is no less french for being in the EU
Sweden is no less swedish for being in the EU.

However on important things such as Defence - Economics - human rights etc. there is concensus
we want to have a highly capable intergrated defence capability
we want to be nice and rich
and we believe that all peoples should enjoy certain freedoms and rights.

The key to post-nationalism is transparency -
pre EU if the British wanted to know how many troops the french had - they would have to guess and spy
now - they simply ask the french adn the french will tell them - who where when what.

the system works because it goes both ways.
for example - a polish prison inspector can turn up to any EU prison - un-announced and perform a snap inspection on that prison to ensure that it meets the minimum requirements.
but any senior prison inspector can also do the same in any polish prison.

it's the way forward.

You keep your national identity - but you also move past silly fighty politics
 
Long story short, I think that merging cultures, governments and languages would be disastrous. People will always want to cling to their culture/heritage/race/language/beliefs/general identities, and for so many people of various different backgrounds to actually get along, they'll have to see past their differences and focus on what's actually important.
You would think so, but with youth in mind, the first thing they throw away is cultural heritage. They then go and adopt some sort of social circle based on perceived image.
 
Last I heard, the EU is in big trouble.

I have no problem with a one-world government so long as it's based on American laws, culture, and principles. You folks in the rest of the world wouldn't have any problem with that, would you?
 
You would think so, but with youth in mind, the first thing they throw away is cultural heritage. They then go and adopt some sort of social circle based on perceived image.

I see what you're saying, but I've never seen anything good come from the youth gathering together and having something in common. See: high school.
 
I'm still wondering why europeans can't unite in one nation !! In the other hand we had one nation that lasted for too long, Last nation was Ottoman Empire or Ottoman world,
Map of regions under Ottoman influence :
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It was Not "Muslim nation" but a world with many religions an cultures, Also with different local governments that accepts Sultan as a president for all people in his land, Kinda like the United stats.
Ottoman Empire lasted for 600 years.
 
I'm still wondering why europeans can't unite in one nation !! In the other hand we had one nation that lasted for too long, Last nation was Ottoman Empire or Ottoman world,
Map of regions under Ottoman influence :
1337_originalgif-1.jpg


It was Not "Muslim nation" but a world with many religions an cultures, Also with different local governments that accepts Sultan as a president for all people in his land, Kinda like the United stats.
Ottoman Empire lasted for 600 years.

If the people in this consolidated world were anything like they are in America, it would result in civil war in a matter of decades. The stress on "acceptance and coexistence" even in spite of having accomplished both of those years ago has cause a lot of division in our country, and I don't see why it would be any different if the whole world were to consolidate.
 
If the people in this consolidated world were anything like they are in America, it would result in civil war in a matter of decades. The stress on "acceptance and coexistence" even in spite of having accomplished both of those years ago has cause a lot of division in our country, and I don't see why it would be any different if the whole world were to consolidate.
Weird ! there was no civil wars in the regions in the previous map until the fall of Ottoman empire !
 
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