Heian period

[Utsuki]

Hello, I have played the game Kuon and watched the movie Onmyoji. I'm quite curious about the Heian period of Japan. Is it true that in the Heian period, there are many ghosts and demons??? :?

 

[NANGI]

Konnichiwa Utsuki-san!

Is it true that in the Heian period, there are many ghosts and demons??? :?

Yes, the Heian period was filled with ghosts and demons!

But there are many ghosts and demons even now on earth. War, famine, epidemic, crime, poverty, jealousy, conceit, greed and etc. Ghosts and demons are metaphor of them.

NANGI

 

[Hiroshi66]

Hehe.

Well, yes. Many of the Japanese mythology originated during the Heian era. Of course, in no way am I denoting cultural mythology during the shogunal era, but most of the Japanese culture as a whole was pretty much "created" during the Heian and Nara periods.

 

[canadian_kor]

Right before the Heian Period, there was a large influx of Koreans, especially from the Paekche kingdom, who contributed to the culture and people of Japan at that time. I guess that shows that Japanese and Koreans are more linked than what a lot of the people from both countries would like to believe.

 

[Hiroshi66]

Of course.

Japan and the Two Koreas are pretty much the same modern people. There have been studies that reflect that Koreans and Japanese at one time in the far distant past had the same spoken language. A fact that is today denied by most Japanese.

 

[canadian_kor]

Of course.

Japan and the Two Koreas are pretty much the same modern people. There have been studies that reflect that Koreans and Japanese at one time in the far distant past had the same spoken language. A fact that is today denied by most Japanese.

Well, it gets rid of that silly idea held by some Japanese that the four main islands were already inhabited since the dawn of creation (more like myth than anything else). Obviously, the modern Japanese ancestors had to come from somewhere from the main continent. Some Japanese scholars (under the pressure of nationalistic sentiments) say that the modern Japanese people came from a unique horse-riding warrior tribe from Northern Manchuria untouched by the Koreans on the peninsula. This has been disproven by many scholars and many of them say that the Japanese people came from the Lake Baikal area (like Koreans). Modern Japanese mostly carry the Tungusic genetic strain with some Ainu and Polynesian blood (like 80%Tungusic and 20% Ainu/Polynesian/Han). I believe that the samurai warrior culture that developed later on was due to the militaristic spirit often found in Altaic cultures.

 

[Hiroshi66]

Yes. That's all mythology. Ultranationalists and right-wingers still call the emperor divine and the Japanese a unique nation.

But they all came from the Mongolian/Chinese/Korean/Baikal area. Japanese are very similar to Mongolians. Believe it or not.

 

[kara]

yes silly, but who?

Well, it gets rid of that silly idea held by some Japanese that the four main islands were already inhabited since the dawn of creation (more like myth than anything else). Obviously, the modern Japanese ancestors had to come from somewhere from the main continent. Some Japanese scholars (under the pressure of nationalistic sentiments) say that the modern Japanese people came from a unique horse-riding warrior tribe from Northern Manchuria untouched by the Koreans on the peninsula. This has been disproven by many scholars and many of them say that the Japanese people came from the Lake Baikal area (like Koreans). Modern Japanese mostly carry the Tungusic genetic strain with some Ainu and Polynesian blood (like 80%Tungusic and 20% Ainu/Polynesian/Han). I believe that the samurai warrior culture that developed later on was due to the militaristic spirit often found in Altaic cultures.

You are perfectly wrong about the "騎馬民族征服王朝説"(Thoery of Horseriders) by 江上波夫(Egami Namio). The points of his theory are;
1)aboriginal people in the Japanese archipelago was conquered by the Horseriders.
2)the Horseriders come from Central Asia through the Korean peninsula.
3)the ancestor of Korean people were also the Horseriders(so Japanese and Koreans share a common ancestor)
4)the Japanese today are basically mixed-race people(aboriginals & the Horseriders).

And that was a counter theory against the reigning theory(or birth-myth) under Imperial Japan(btw, have you ever read Korean "national" history textbook and their Dankun shinhwa?). However, that has been disproven by many scholars as you wrote.

 

[canadian_kor]

You are perfectly wrong about the "騎馬民族征服王朝説"(Thoery of Horseriders) by 江上波夫(Egami Namio). The points of his theory are;
1)aboriginal people in the Japanese archipelago was conquered by the Horseriders.
2)the Horseriders come from Central Asia through the Korean peninsula.
3)the ancestor of Korean people were also the Horseriders(so Japanese and Koreans share a common ancestor)
4)the Japanese today are basically mixed-race people(aboriginals & the Horseriders).

And that was a counter theory against the reigning theory(or birth-myth) under Imperial Japan(btw, have you ever read Korean "national" history textbook and their Dankun shinhwa?). However, that has been disproven by many scholars as you wrote.

When you say I am "perfectly wrong" do you mean that I am wrong in my explanation of Namio's theory? If so, are you saying that Namio's theory is the correct one? No, I haven't read the Korean Dankun shinwa. What is it about?

 

[kara]

> When you say I am "perfectly wrong" do you mean that I am wrong in my explanation of Namio's theory?

Yes. You mixed his theory with other's.

> If so, are you saying that Namio's theory is the correct one?

No. It has been disproven by many scholars as you wrote(about this part, your explanation wasn't wrong).

> Dankun shinwa. What is it about?

I should have spelled it "Tangun" in English.

http://concise.britannica.com/ebc/article?eu=405533
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http://www.ktnet.co.kr/enghome/culture/ethics.html

 

[Hiroshi66]

The real "birthplace" of the Japanese people will really never be found. People come up with all these theories, but in all reality, the voice of the right-wingers and traditionalism is too loud. For example, I could identify most with the Izanami/Izanagi myth, even though I KNOW for a fact that it is myth and only myth. Its not the correct theory, its the theory you can identify with most.

 

[canadian_kor]

The real "birthplace" of the Japanese people will really never be found. People come up with all these theories, but in all reality, the voice of the right-wingers and traditionalism is too loud. For example, I could identify most with the Izanami/Izanagi myth, even though I KNOW for a fact that it is myth and only myth. Its not the correct theory, its the theory you can identify with most.

What is the Izanami/Izanagi myth?

 

[Hiroshi66]

The myth that Izanagi dipped a sphere into the ocean from the heavens, and the sacred drops of water which dropped back into the ocean formed the heavenly Japanese islands. Then, comes the Jimmu Tennou myth, etc.