For dsvlee about East Turkistan

[Hezam]

dsvlee come here and post your claims about East Turkistan.

This is Wiki source:
Xinjiang - Wikipedia

 

[FinancialWar]

It's called xinjiang, it's part of the Chinese territory.

What's there to discuss?

 

[Hezam]

It's called xinjiang, it's part of the Chinese territory.

What's there to discuss?

Where are talking about Turks home land not a name that was givin by Communist invasion 60 years ago.
i don't know what's wrong if you just tell the truth that is VERY clear !
The Americans never deny that the U.S was Red Indians home, America is treating red indians one hundred times better than how your government treat other people like Uyghur and Tibetians.

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

It's called xinjiang, it's part of the Chinese territory.

What's there to discuss?

We could start with the subject of Chinese imperialism.

 

[FinancialWar]

Where are talking about Turks home land not a name that was givin by Communist invasion 60 years ago.
i don't know what's wrong if you just tell the truth that is VERY clear !
The Americans never deny that the U.S was Red Indians home, America is treating red indians one hundred times better than how your government treat other people like Uyghur and Tibetians.

Seriously go and get some education on the subject before spreading bs on the Internet.

The name Xinjiang was given in Qing China before communism was even invented by Marx.

White people killed murdered the native Indians to the point of extinction and you're telling me that the way the americans treated Indian is 100 times better?

Guess that's a typical American mentality, goes around bullying and killing everyone in the name of democracy, even their own citizens.

Slowden anyone?

 

[RolandtheHeadless]

It's called xinjiang, it's part of the Chinese territory.

What's there to discuss?

I was responding to your above-quoted post. This thread involves East Turkistan and Chinese claims there, which appear to be an imperialistic exercise to me. So there is something to discuss.

If you want to discuss American imperialism, feel free to start a thread.

 

[FinancialWar]

When you use the term "East Turkistan", you have already shown your bias and hence voids all your arguments.

Again what is there to discuss, it's been part of Chinese civilisation continuously for about two thousands since Tang, the ethnic Uighur people under PRC are treated better than Han Chinese due to PRC's favorable policies towards ethnic minorities.

The people in Xinjiang speaks Mandarin, enjoy enormous economic growth only possible under Chinese governance.

 

[alecgraham]

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White people killed murdered the native Indians to the point of extinction and you're telling me that the way the americans treated Indian is 100 times better?

Hezam used the present tense, treating. You changed it to the past tense.
The Chinese are treating Tibetans and other minorities horribly, and then spreading propaganda. I know mainlanders in the States who told me that Tibetans love Chinese and are desperate to intermarry with them. But of course, when we visited a trinket shop owned by Tibetans, they found no love.

 

[Hezam]

Why is he very mad ?
Americans are treating red indians [ now ] 100 times better than the way YOU han treat others.
It seems like you don't have any respect to truth and your mind is not ready to receive the truth of your bloody government.
If someone came and called China [ South Japan ] you would eat your keyboard buttons but it's ok for you to change poeple's land name.
You are very racist.

 

[alecgraham]

lol @ "you would eat your keyboard buttons."

Chinese are just extremely nationalistic and most of the time it is difficult to have any kind of productive debate with them.
My own wife is the same, I'm sorry to say. In order to get along, we usually avoid certain topics altogether, like politics. Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Tibet. You can't really discuss it with mainlanders because they don't have an open mind about it. You can only discuss it with other non-Chinese (or Taiwanese or some Hong Kongers).

 

[FinancialWar]

Americans are treating red indians [ now ] 100 times better than the way YOU han treat others.

Indians and Blacks face discrimination and police brutality in America everyday, they are still getting raped, killed, denied employment and basic human rights because of their race. Where as in China, Uighurs and China are allowed to have more than one children.

Why is he very mad ?
It seems like you don't have any respect to truth and your mind is not ready to receive the truth of your bloody government.

My government the Government of Australia, I only talk about the truth and I don't have any loyalty towards the Chinese government.

If someone came and called China [ South Japan ] you would eat your keyboard buttons but it's ok for you to change poeple's land name.

Again, you are mislead by your western media, China never changed the name of any place.
Japan was never able to fully conquer China and never changed China's name. East Turkistan was used after Xinjiang, it was used by Uighurs to established an illegal Independent countries during ROC era when China was fight the Japanese in World War 2 and the Chinese civil war.

Those Uighurs who established the two East Turkestan republics during ROC are truly bastards and traitors because instead of help the motherland fight the Japanese invaders, they had the balls to establish an independent countries during China's weakest period. Yet, with such betrayals, the current Chinese government, the PRC still treats the Uighur people with kindness and tolerance that's not seen in the West. This makes my eyes waters, seeing that only the only place we can find humanity is in China and Russia. Maybe that's why Slowden fled to China when he first exposed NSA's PRISM program.

 

[FinancialWar]

Chinese are just extremely nationalistic and most of the time it is difficult to have any kind of productive debate with them.

I have a hard time discussing anything with Americans because they are so self-centered and think that America is a "democratic" country.
Lol, silly Americans need to read up history and see how they treated their indigenous people and the black and used them as slaves. It just absolutely disgust me the way the American government treat everyone in the world even their own citizens.

You can't really discuss it with mainlanders because they don't have an open mind about it. You can only discuss it with other non-Chinese (or Taiwanese or some Hong Kongers).

Because Chinese people have the needs to make sense while ignorant people have easier time discussing things with other ignorant people.

 

[alecgraham]

Well, technically, he fled to Hong Kong, which still has some remnant of democracy and British courts.
By the way, his name is Snowden with an N, not Slowden.

Lol, silly Americans need to read up history and see how they treated their indigenous people and the black and used them as slaves.

Yeah, I've heard about those things once or twice. Now China's taking the lead by abusing Africans right in Africa, exploiting them for hard labor and for precious minerals, and physically beating many of those laborers. But, that's for another thread...

Because Chinese people have the needs to make sense while ignorant people have easier time discussing things with other ignorant people.

Ha! Well, frame it the way you like; you're just proving my point. We're already at an impasse.

Chinese people are not ignorant. They merely refuse to ever place the blame on China. I suspect they know the truth but prefer to remain nationalistic, even if it destroys their reputation around the world. That's fine. America doesn't have a very good reputation either.

I just wish I had better access to Chinese intellectuals and dissidents. Unfortunately, those Chinese are the *least* likely to show up online.

 

[FinancialWar]

Oh, I think my IQ has dropped a point after reading this...

 

[alecgraham]

Oh, I think my IQ has dropped a point after reading this...

Well, then, I should let you have the last word. I want you to hold onto the few points you have.

 

[Hezam]

Again, you are mislead by your western media, China never changed the name of any place.
Japan was never able to fully conquer China and never changed China's name. East Turkistan was used after Xinjiang, it was used by Uighurs to established an illegal Independent countries during ROC era when China was fight the Japanese in World War 2 and the Chinese civil war.

Those Uighurs who established the two East Turkestan republics during ROC are truly bastards and traitors because instead of help the motherland fight the Japanese invaders, they had the balls to establish an independent countries during China's weakest period. Yet, with such betrayals, the current Chinese government, the PRC still treats the Uighur people with kindness and tolerance that's not seen in the West. This makes my eyes waters, seeing that only the only place we can find humanity is in China and Russia. Maybe that's why Slowden fled to China when he first exposed NSA's PRISM program.

What western media ? are you drunk ? i live in Saudi Arabia.
And what makes Turkistan Independent illegal ??
You called Uyghur "Bastards" and "traitors" because they wanted their himeland Free from you and Russia, You need to clean your mouth from bad words first.
Your government never treated Uyghur with kindness or tolerance, Your logic and your bad language makes your lies clear.

the only place to find humanity is in China and Russia ? the two nations are the worst place to live in, you are more than stupid if you think anyone would believe you.

Uyghur DO not speak mandarin, it seems like you are not only stupid nationalist but also ignorant.

No wonder others love Japan over China.

 

[FinancialWar]

China still need to claim back lost lands..

1. Taiwan
2. Mongolia
3. Outer Manchuria
4. Diaoyu/sentaku
5. All of South China Sea

The goal of all Chinese is to restore land integrity back to our former Qing glory.

 

[nahadef]

China still need to claim back lost lands..

1. Taiwan
2. Mongolia
3. Outer Manchuria
4. Diaoyu/sentaku
5. All of South China Sea

The goal of all Chinese is to restore land integrity back to our former Qing glory.

Yeah, and I hear Rome wants to get back everything between Hadrian's Wall and Egypt. Of course, sometimes it's just better to let the people living there decide to return to their old empire rather than let the new one (which is not even the same country) claim them for itself.

 

[BrianLewis]

The goal of all Chinese is to restore land integrity back to our former Qing glory.

Wow, I can't believe that anyone in the 21st century is toting military conquest, and using relatively ancient history as an excuse for it. I recall reading that ancient Korea once possessed the majority of mainland China in the b.c.s. Or are we only talking about historical properties that are beneficial to China's present? Seriously, that's the most idiotic thing I have read all week.

Indians and Blacks face discrimination and police brutality in America everyday, they are still getting raped, killed, denied employment and basic human rights because of their race. Where as in China, Uighurs and China are allowed to have more than one children.

Don't believe everything you see on the news. It's their job to be sensational. I actually live here, and I can give you an example of the reverse being true. Colleges go out of their way to give up spots for admission and even give scholarships based on the color of an applicant's skin. The term is "reverse discrimination." You can look it up if you want, but it basically is because of our culture's pendulum swinging from one extreme to the other in order to "compensate" for past infractions. It was wrong then, and it's wrong now for the same exact reason, but culture as a whole is generally slow to figure things out. So, from my personal experience, actually living here, you are wrong. If/when you come over here to get an education, you can think about that when you check the ethnicity box upon submitting a petition for admittance.

 

[FinancialWar]

I recall reading that ancient Korea once possessed the majority of mainland China in the b.c.s.

That's what happens when you read fictions written by Koreans.

 

[alecgraham]

Yeah, and I hear Rome wants to get back everything between Hadrian's Wall and Egypt.

Just remember that this is a guy who says

My government the Government of Australia, I only talk about the truth and I don't have any loyalty towards the Chinese government.

(I guess that's a picture of Australian PM Kevin Rudd in his avatar). He doesn't have loyalty towards the Chinese government b/c that government is not yet aggressive enough for him. It is not yet interested in taking over "all of the South China Sea", so for now he can enjoy peace and prosperity in Aus.

 

[FinancialWar]

May be Vietnam too, damn those Viet are culture thieves, stole Chinese qipao as their national dress, shameless I'd say.

Well everybody in Asian is copying chinese culture and Characters, hence why China is the Middle Kingdom, and how the mandate of heaven to rule the world.

 

[nahadef]

In fact I am going to Xinjiang this year to get me self a lovely Urghur girl as a wife. With an Australian passport, it shouldn't be a issue.

Is that a racial slur? Why shouldn't it be an issue? You claim that China treats the Urghurs "favourable" and "better." Why ever would any ever want to leave, when they must be living so well, above the Han. (I suppose the way Brian Lewis thinks blacks live above whites in America with all their "reverse-racism"?) You'll have to elaborate on exactly what you mean. I'm thick.

 

[FinancialWar]

That's a fact, not a racial slur. Get with the current world order. People want to move to country with higher GDP per capita.

Without the Chinese, you know what Xinjiang would like? Look at the neighbouring Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[nahadef]

That's a fact, not a racial slur. Get with the current world order. People want to move to country with higher GDP.

No clue what you're talking about. Why would a Urghur want to marry someone with an Australian passport? Life in China as an Urghur is 'better', as you wrote.

(sorry to quote you before you completely rewrote your post. I'll leave my quote of you in tact, since that was what you initially wrote.)

Japanese have little desire to emigrate, since life in Japan is good. Are you implying that life in Urghur provinces is less then great? Again, I'm thick. Without you spelling it out clearly for me, I'm not quite sure what you want to say. Asking me to get with the 'current world order' really doesn't do the trick, since I've never paid much attention to it. I'm not American.