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I am a chinese and i love and respect my country. Even though i do not support some violent behaviour of riot people, i do understand their feeling.

In the past few hundred years, China was one of the saddest nation. While the rest of world were competing in industrial revolution, chinese people were suffering from internal and external warfairs. The control of chinese people were always in hand of military people. Our more elited people were either killed or imprisoned in between numerous of internal revolution and change of governance in the past hundred year. It's a lesson that Chinese has learn deeply. What we are asking for today is not a rebuilt of imperial or invasion of other nation. We want stability. We learn deep enough the price of peacefulness. This is what our history teached us. With the education of chinese people nowaday, i doubt that chinese people will have the same fate of those in the past 100 years.

The thing worry Chinese people is not the thing written in the history text book nor the number of school that use those text book.

Why the Japanese government allow the publication of those text book? Even worst is that why Japanese citicizen do not object this?

I wonder after all these, are there Jap. newspaper criticize the altitude Japanese government take in this matter?

Apart from blame on the damage of embassor building or spread of 'China Threat' philosophy,
Are there any Jap newspaper study the cause of these in deep?
Are there freedom of speech in Japan or are the publication controlled by government?

The Germen after WWII has abandon all Nazi thinking and activities with the enforcement from government and public. The Germen government do not see any merit in allowing such thinking floating in their citizen's mind. Older generation teach their offspring about the destruction of war to themselve and to other innocent people. There is no winner in war. Be memorable to all Germen of the impact of silly war. Because there is clear sign of regretful from German government and her people, the victim nation has slowly forgotten and forgive.

Opposingly, Japan government always do some thing to raise up these memory. In 1972, Japan has signed an official and written apology to China. Peaceful relationship has been established for the next 10 years. Nations are looking for economic growth at that time and I think the government in Japan had done a good job. However since late 1980s, the Japanese government has slowly ruined this relationship. The president start to worship the war-crime tample. Right-wing start to have stronger say and stronger act.

I just wonder why the people in Japan does not oppose your government for such silly act. If your government still support the right-wing activities or publication, it is very hard to convince that Jap are truely feeling sorry for your war activities in the past.

People thought the Chinese people are mad about the past. Actually we are even more worry about today and tomorrow. Unless the Jap government can show some altitude or stronger act to prevent the happening of war.
 

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Why are you starting another thread about this issue. There are already quite alot of threads regarding this.
By the way I think your Communist flag is very ugly. Looks much like the flag of the Soviet Union.
So if other countries don't do what the Chinese want then you will bully them, damage their shops, boycot their products and point missiles at their cities? You want to fight like the agressive communists you are? You want to claim more territory, wage wars, oppress more people?
 

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Wang said:
Why are you starting another thread about this issue. There are already quite alot of threads regarding this.
By the way I think your Communist flag is very ugly. Looks much like the flag of the Soviet Union.
So if other countries don't do what the Chinese want then you will bully them, damage their shops, boycot their products and point missiles at their cities? You want to fight like the agressive communists you are? You want to claim more territory, wage wars, oppress more people?

i don't get your point, how can you attack the politic system what choosed by themselves..? right, you don't like it, it's not meaning you have the right to oppose others join.
 

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Wang said:
By the way I think your Communist flag is very ugly. Looks much like the flag of the Soviet Union.

Well the Taiwanese falg is not so different. Also all red. The difference is the blue square in the top-left corner, and a sun instead of stars. Who copied whom ?

So if other countries don't do what the Chinese want then you will bully them, damage their shops, boycot their products and point missiles at their cities? You want to fight like the agressive communists you are? You want to claim more territory, wage wars, oppress more people?

That's nothing compared to what the USA do. China hasn't invaded and occupied 2 (far-away) countries in the last 3.5 years, although most of the world was opposed to it, has it ?
 

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louislau27772003 said:
Why the Japanese government allow the publication of those text book? Even worst is that why Japanese citicizen do not object this?

That is also what I find disturbing, and I am not Chinese (and not Japanese).

I wonder after all these, are there Jap. newspaper criticize the altitude Japanese government take in this matter?

No. From what I have seen and heard in Japan, most people agree with the government. Few Japanese people really think that Japan should apologise or change its history textbooks.

Are there any Jap newspaper study the cause of these in deep?
Are there freedom of speech in Japan or are the publication controlled by government?

The media are not so free to criticise the goverment in Japan. They could, but usually they just agree because they do not want to disrtub the "harmony" or argue with the government.

The Germen after WWII has abandon all Nazi thinking and activities with the enforcement from government and public. The Germen government do not see any merit in allowing such thinking floating in their citizen's mind. Older generation teach their offspring about the destruction of war to themselve and to other innocent people. There is no winner in war. Be memorable to all Germen of the impact of silly war. Because there is clear sign of regretful from German government and her people, the victim nation has slowly forgotten and forgive.

I also wish the Japanese would have acted as reasonably as the Germans. <sigh>

Opposingly, Japan government always do some thing to raise up these memory. In 1972, Japan has signed an official and written apology to China. Peaceful relationship has been established for the next 10 years. Nations are looking for economic growth at that time and I think the government in Japan had done a good job. However since late 1980s, the Japanese government has slowly ruined this relationship. The president start to worship the war-crime tample.

That's correct. Japan is doing more and more things to provoke China. Myabe there are just testing China's reactions to see if it's really safe to do business in China. :?

I just wonder why the people in Japan does not oppose your government for such silly act. If your government still support the right-wing activities or publication, it is very hard to convince that Jap are truely feeling sorry for your war activities in the past.

The reality is that Japanese people are quite brainwashed by their education system. They usually believe everything their teachers say, everything the government say, and everything they hear or read from the media. Most of them are completely deprived of critical sense. Even those that are critical and intelligent usually support nationalist ideas, because they have no reason to go against their own country. They lack a deep moral sense to admit their own past wrong-doings, even when it's obvious to everyone. Very sad indeed. <sigh>

People thought the Chinese people are mad about the past. Actually we are even more worry about today and tomorrow. Unless the Jap government can show some altitude or stronger act to prevent the happening of war.

I don't think there are any reasons tpo worry about Japan attacking China nowadays. Today's Japanese are very pacific. So even if they forget about their past, they are too comfortable in their new lifestyle to wish any war to happen. Thye have too much to lose in a war nowadays.
 

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Maciamo said:
Well the Taiwanese falg is not so different. Also all red. The difference is the blue square in the top-left corner, and a sun instead of stars. Who copied whom ?

Explanation of the flag of Taiwan:

The symbolism cited for the Taiwanese flag by Jose Manuel is Correct. The "three principles of the people" represented by the white-twelve-pointed star (Equality, brightness and Min Sheng (People's Livelihood)), the blue canton (Liberty, justice and Min Chuan (Democracy)) and red field (Fraternity, sacrifice and Min Tsu (Nationalism)) were drafted by the Republic of China's founding father Dr Sun Yat-Sen. In a book called "Sun Yat-Sen's Revolution: a Pictorial History" some pictures of the original designs are depicted... Whenever I find the means of scanning those pictures, I'll do so.

The design was primarily the political flag of the Tung Meng Hui Society (later, in 1912, the Kuo Ming Tang, KMT, Taiwan's ruling party) and, after the 1911 revolution and later, after the death of Yuan Shi Kai in 1916 (the Republic of China's second provisional president recommended by Dr. Sun; Yuan was to declare himself emperor) and the ongoing fighting between Chinese warlords during the 1920s, became the flag of the Republic. After the victory of the Chinese Communist forces over those of nationalist China, the Government fled to Taiwan island (Formosa) where it settled as an exile government. This government remained internationally recognized until the mid-seventies, when the UN admitted and recognized Beijing's (instead of Taipei's) government as the legitimate government of China. Although the RoC (Taiwan) continued to make claims over the Chinese mainland, it seems now that Taipei's government is seeking for the recognition of its independence as a State. So we might be looking forward to a change in the flag and the coat of arms (even though I see that as an unlikely possibility.
Guillermo Aveledo, 23 September 1999

Republic of China (Taiwan)

Explanation of the flag of China:

The five-star red flag - The national flag of The People's Republic of China (Beijing: Morning Glory Publishers, 1997), gives this interpretation of its symbolism:

The national flag of the People's Republic of China is the five-star red flag. The red color of the flag is the symbol of the revolution, signifying that the political power of the People's Republic of China is achieved through bloodshed and lives laid down by countless revolutionary martyrs who marched forward wave upon wave in the heroic struggles for the revolution. In the upper-left corner of the flag there are five-pointed yellow stars, of which the big one represents the Communist Party of China and the four small ones the people of all ethnic groups of the country. One point of the big star points right up the flag and of the four small ones each has a point pointing towards the centre of the big star. This shows that the Chinese Communist Party is the force at the core of the leadership of the Chinese people of all ethnic groups who unite closely as one round the Party. With the color of the stars in yellow this means the great cause of socialism has a bright future. With the flag-staff painted white, that is to suggest flawless purity and loftiness."

This explanation differs from the interpretation of the large star as representing the Communist party and the smaller stars as representing the four classes.
Jan Oskar Engene, 10 November 1999

China

So it's not similar. The Nationalists were not communists.

That's nothing compared to what the USA do. China hasn't invaded and occupied 2 (far-away) countries in the last 3.5 years, although most of the world was opposed to it, has it ?

I rather be with the USA then Communist China. :D :D
 

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Wang said:
Explanation of the flag of Taiwan:



So it's not similar. The Nationalists were not communists.



I rather be with the USA then Communist China. :D :D

I do believe most of Chinese in my generation who are in their 20s would like to recognize Sun-Yat Sen as the Founder of modern China in history.

I don't know why you always demonize Mailnland. I personally believe Taiwanese are faithful and easy-going people. However, if you go your own way, its up to you.


Btw, the chairman of Nationalists(KMT) is going to visit Mainland on 26th april.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/04/19/china.taiwan.ap/index.html

Hope he have a good trip in China :)
 
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