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Before you reply to this thread, please leave your high moral ground outside, this thread is only for the hypothetical solution to the inevitable crisis of human population. If you don't have a solution but just a personal moral or ethical opinion, then please don't reply, because when human run out of resources, the last thing on your mind would be morality.

I have just finished the Dan Brown's Inferno, without giving too much in spoiler, I think Zobrist should have done a bit differently. Instead of random targeting a random 1/3 of the human population, he should have engineered a virus that target only people with certain racial characteristics, this sound genocide, but humans have always done this to other species for the human benefits, so why not to human itself to improve the survivability of our own species?

The racial he should target are
1. High birth rate.
2. Low intelligence.
3. Low contribution to human species.
4. High crime rate.
5. Highly diseased.

Thus, he would have achieved the goal of lower human population, he would have also improved the human genome at the same time. Two birds one stone. He should have engineered a virus that only target Sub-Saharan Africans with with 50% or higher sterile rate.

So why targeting sub-Saharan African people, they have the highest birth rate, this reason alone should be entire to justify their sterilization to counter overpopulation, their also have lower average IQ, poverty stricken, high infection rate of various diseases, rely to foreign aid which further drain world resources, crime against other races (piracy and internet scams).

Because targeting 1/3 of races that already have extremely low birth rate such as Japan, Korea and Europeans for the overpopulation caused by Africans is just not fair. For example, Japan already have a low fertility rate, making 1/3 Japanese sterile would mean the eventual extinction of the Japanese people. This is the major flaw in Zobrist plan, he is making innocent people paying for the crisis caused by the perpetrators.
 

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The Africans were used as slaved to build the new world, they were enslaved and sent to North/South america, Australia, Europe to work.
i tried to keep morals away as much as i could, Considering this thread is created by a Chinese person who his country has the highest population despite borth rate.
Education & justice is the best solution to face high population rate, i'm also with decreasing birth rate but by educating people and giving them better chance for life. i believe 3 kids per family is perfect.
There was around one million new born baby in Yemen in one year 2011, this is only in Yemen, imagin the other parts of the Middle East and north Africa !
The sad thing is that they give birth for no purpose, Just to have kids !!
 
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Chinese people are the most responsible race when it comes to population control, look at states with majority Han Chinese population, Macau, Taiwan, HK and Singapore are THE four lowest fertility states in the world! And mainland China have fertility of only 1.5, which is much lower than the replacement rate of 2.1.

Chinese are not the caused of growing population, in fact, Chinese population are decreasing. So get your fact straight before bashed my argument due to my ethnicity. This is ad hominem.

List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you have read the book, you would know the education and contraception have proven to be ineffective to African countries, billions of dollars have been spent on African countries by the WHO to address their population and STDs funded by countries with low population growth. Africa has proved education and contraception is not the solution, it's just a band-aid on a growing tumour. But PRC has proved that one child policy and forced sterilisation is the only solution to the overpopulation problem.
 

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It's not because Han race is responsible, it's because they have a very strickt law, It's because of the government not people.
And where did 1.5 billion come from ? of course birth ! Unless China had a technology that create humans !
For africans, you can compare Africans who live in Europe/America to Africans who live in Africa, See how different they are, Education and Law change people, If you lived your entire life in a jungle or desert you will remain as you are, you will be like the people around you.

i hope i made my point clear.
 

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Chinese are not the caused of growing population, in fact, Chinese population are decreasing. So get your fact straight before bashed my argument due to my ethnicity. This is ad hominem.
Because you wrote this in 2014. If it was proposed in 1950, would you suggest China? Unlikely, and a key to showing how stupid a suggestion this is: population growth is not a linear chart. It goes up and down, and choosing the one that's up right now is just dumb, and most likely racist.

The bottom line with so many racist screeds, is that the problem is always 'them,' not 'us.' I wonder if this sort of dumb stuff will haunt the Internet forever.
 
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Yes I would. There is nothing I hate about China than the huge population. In fact most Chinese people and obvious the government would concur that China can do with a smaller population. I want China to overtake America as the largest economy, but not because it's got the largest population, but due to a more efficient work force.

Both nahadef and Hezam have their mentality stuck in the past, however, all decision process is about the future, not the past. China population grew exponentially during Mao's rule, and the one child policy was introduced soon after his death. The world should learn from China experience and the harm uncontrolled population growth can have in an under developed country. We need to make decision so that we can have a better future for our children, if we have a future that is.

This my argument is simply coming from a scientific and pragmatic point of view, it's not nothing to do with race, so stop playing the race card. It is not I the reason why Africa and the middle east is having high fertility rate and is the sole reason why the explosion of the human population in the last 30 years. If Asians or Europeans are having fertility rate in the 5 to 7 range, with little economic growth and rely on foreign aid, I would have no hesitation to suggest compulsory population control on those countries.

I quote from Dante, In dangerous times, there is no sin greater than inaction.

And again, may I remind you that this thread is not about attacking me or calling me a racist, or what China has done half a century ago, which is total irrelevant to the current crisis of human overpopulation due to insanely high fertility rate in Africa and the middle east.

If you don't have a solution, at least don't be part of the problem please.
 

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And again, may I remind you that this thread is not about attacking me or calling me a racist, or what China has done half a century ago, which is total irrelevant to the current crisis of human overpopulation due to insanely high fertility rate in Africa and the middle east.
Population Africa: 1.1 billion
Size Africa: 30.22 million sq. km

Population China: 1.3 billion
Size China: 9.707 million sq. km

Less people living in a space 3 times the size. Christ.

Racist. All about 'them', not about 'us'.

If a white person had said the exact same racist nonsense about China in 1950, it would have been equally as racist and stupid.

Financial War: "Why do people think I'm a racist because I talk about a racial genocide as a solution for the problems of the world?"
 
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I can't think of a solution that doesn't sound about as evil as yours, but I acknowledge that it will be a problem with regard to resources. Also, people tend to be kinder to each other in areas with lighter population densities.
 

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So what is your solution?
Here in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, families mostly have 6 to 11 kids excluding the parents, Saudi families are rich while Yemeni are mostly poor, You would ask "Why Yemeni families have this number of kids ?" i will tell you why, It's because they follow Prophet Mohammed's advice "Marry the one who is fertile and loving" so too many muslims misunderstood it and when you ask them why you have too many kids ? they simply answer you " God will feed them" ...That's why Arabs in Arab peninsula have high bith rate, More kids to be un-emplyees and instead of living a happy life with 3 kids they live a poor life with 6 to 11 kids that they barely feed them.
My family is very big, we are 14 person excluding my parents .... is anybody shocked ?
Let me tell you the best solution that i can think of:
- Spend half of the aid money on Education as first priority.
- Spend the other half to build companies, factories, to create a continues resource for the people, As they say "Don't give me a fish but teach me how to fish" .
- Give priority/features/services to families with less kids, encourage people to have 3 kids at most as a first step then less if needed.
- NO GENOCIDE, nobody has the right to take someone else's life because they were born in big families.

i hope this makes better thinking way in your head.
 
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My family is very big, we are 14 person excluding my parents .... is anybody shocked ?
14 people! You mean 14 kids? Or does that include some cousins and in-laws?

I don't know if I'm shocked, but I am amazed, and you have me thinking about logistics.
1) It's enough trouble to buy birthday gifts for the children of my two siblings. I can't imagine remembering the dates of all those nieces and nephews from more than, say, 7 siblings. Not to mention all the money it would cost. You must have a lot of cousins and nephews to keep track of.
2) In the States, I would not like to try to book a table in a restaurant for more than 6 people. Growing up, you must have eaten at home a lot. :)

The only good thing I can think of is that you have all those people "on your team", on your side.
 

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14 people! You mean 14 kids? Or does that include some cousins and in-laws?
Just the kids, cousins are not included, That's my brothers and sisters.

I don't know if I'm shocked, but I am amazed, and you have me thinking about logistics.
1) It's enough trouble to buy birthday gifts for the children of my two siblings. I can't imagine remembering the dates of all those nieces and nephews from more than, say, 7 siblings. Not to mention all the money it would cost. You must have a lot of cousins and nephews to keep track of.
Well, there is no birthday celebrating here XD .

2) In the States, I would not like to try to book a table in a restaurant for more than 6 people. Growing up, you must have eaten at home a lot. :)
98% of people here eat at home, mothers make food so no orders from restaurants,only if it's a holiday or party.
The only good thing I can think of is that you have all those people "on your team", on your side.
Lol, i think it's the only positive thing about having too many brothers.
 
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Here in Saudi Arabia and Yemen, families mostly have 6 to 11 kids excluding the parents, Saudi families are rich while Yemeni are mostly poor, You would ask "Why Yemeni families have this number of kids ?" i will tell you why, It's because they follow Prophet Mohammed's advice "Marry the one who is fertile and loving" so too many muslims misunderstood it and when you ask them why you have too many kids ? they simply answer you " God will feed them" ...That's why Arabs in Arab peninsula have high bith rate, More kids to be un-emplyees and instead of living a happy life with 3 kids they live a poor life with 6 to 11 kids that they barely feed them.
My family is very big, we are 14 person excluding my parents .... is anybody shocked ?
Let me tell you the best solution that i can think of:
- Spend half of the aid money on Education as first priority.
- Spend the other half to build companies, factories, to create a continues resource for the people, As they say "Don't give me a fish but teach me how to fish" .
- Give priority/features/services to families with less kids, encourage people to have 3 kids at most as a first step then less if needed.
- NO GENOCIDE, nobody has the right to take someone else's life because they were born in big families.

i hope this makes better thinking way in your head.
In the book, there are many arguments from both sides, one of the argument is the poison of religion plays in human population growth, which you have further exemplify here in the case of your country.

In Africa, the WHO tried to get people to use condoms and abortion to reduce unwanted pregnancy yet religion argues against the use of condom and abortion.

Part of the solution is not only sexual education, but also science, because there is nothing worse than a large family of religious fundamentalists, whether they are muslims or christians.

I think one child policy should be enforced on these countries, after all China has shown one child policy is not only enforceable, but also very effective.
 

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I can't think of a solution that doesn't sound about as evil as yours, but I acknowledge that it will be a problem with regard to resources. Also, people tend to be kinder to each other in areas with lighter population densities.
Is it fair to say that your solutions wouldn't start with the black ones?

I agree with Hezam that social development is preferable to genocide. It's difficult, but the better education and economies there are, the fewer kids.
 
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Lol, yes, def. It is fair to say I am not out to target black people, whether they're from Sub-Saharan lands or Boston. Nor Arabs or Muslims, nor any specific ethnicity, creed or sexual orientation.
 
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It's going to take a long time because Africa become educated and developed, if that ever happens. By then the human overpopulation will be much worse that it is now.
 

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It's going to take a long time because Africa become educated and developed, if that ever happens. By then the human overpopulation will be much worse that it is now.
Tell that to 1950's China. They were a real beacon of education and development. Why did we wait for them?
 
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He's got a good reason to bring it up, FW. You can't seem to imagine Africans being educated, as if they're immune to it. At the same time, you have to remember that China went from the most advanced civilization on earth to a nation of peasants that killed their own intellectuals.

It's clearly got nothing to do with race. It's the software, not the hardware, that counts.
 
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He's got a good reason to bring it up, FW. You can't seem to imagine Africans being educated, as if they're immune to it. At the same time, you have to remember that China went from the most advanced civilization on earth to a nation of peasants that killed their own intellectuals.

It's clearly got nothing to do with race. It's the software, not the hardware, that counts.
I see your point.

I counter propose that we systematically make everyone with IQ lower than 90, has genetic disease, lazy or ugly people sterile regardless of race.

That way we can finally achieve the Transhumanism goal.
 
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Is that really how you want to have your family line disappear?
I'm one of the smartest, healthiest, most diligent and best looking man in Australia, they call me the God of male definition. I'm the reason why your daughter is still alive because they can't wait to bear my seeds. I make Jesus look like a beggar, Muhammad look like a fresh of the boat and Buddha like a Asian Jonah Hill.

Since you haven't offered any solution but personal attacks, I kindly suggest you go back to your comics.
 

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I'm one of the smartest, healthiest, most diligent and best looking man in Australia, they call me the God of male definition. I'm the reason why your daughter is still alive because they can't wait to bear my seeds. I make Jesus look like a beggar, Muhammad look like a fresh of the boat and Buddha like a Asian Jonah Hill.
He said, alone in his bedroom, like usual.
 
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LOL, FW if you weren't Chinese I'd suspect you of being Kanye West!

Putting aside the scary eugenics ideas, how would you decide who is "ugly"? And would you save the 90% best looking? The 10% best only?
 
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